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Reclaiming Your Energy as an Empath

reclaiming your energy as an empath podcast episode

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 12

Reclaiming Your Energy as an Empath

In Reclaiming Your Energy as an Empath, we discusses the challenges and superpowers of empaths and highly sensitive people, practical tools for identifying and releasing energies that don't belong you, and go on a guided journey for energy clearing and healing.

In Reclaiming Your Energy as an Empath I share:
➡️ The unique challenges and strengths of being an empath or highly sensitive person (HSP). 
➡️ How to recognize what energy is yours and what’s not.
➡️ How to quickly and easily clear energies that do not belong to you.
➡️ A guided meditation to ground and release all dense energies that you don’t want to carry anymore.

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Unlocking Heart-Led Abundance

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 11

Unlocking Heart-Led Abundance

In Unlocking Heart-Led Abundance, I share how to manifest the life you want faster and avoid burnout through a heart-body-spirit connection.

In Unlocking Heart-Led Abundance I share:
➡️ How to discern what’s right for you through a heart-body-spirit connection.
➡️ Why authenticity will manifest your desires WAY FASTER than anything else.
➡️ How to avoid burnout while creating the life you really want.

Ready to answer your calling?
➡️ Schedule a free Clarity Call

Connect with Abigail
Join the Heart Space Awakening group
Learn about Medicine Within Academy
Sacred + Unleashed Membership
Instagram @yourmindbodyfree
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The Call To Heal: Discovering Your Soul’s Purpose

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 10

The Call To Heal:
Discovering Your Soul’s Purpose 

In The Call To Heal: Discovering Your Soul's Purpose I share with you the REAL reason behind your challenges and how this one crucial understanding can free you of years and even lifetimes worth of struggle.

➡️ Do you feel a deep longing to come into wholeness?

➡️ Are you tired of those frustrations that you’ve tolerated for maybe a little too long?
That longing and frustration is there to point you towards the life you’re really meant for.

In this episode, I unpack the collective call that so many empaths and seekers are feeling and how it can guide you into your soul’s desire for freedom and purpose.

Ready to answer your calling?

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Sacred + Unleashed Membership
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Lise Mase: Ancestral Foodways

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 9

Lise Mase: Ancestral Foodways

Lisa Mase: Ancestral Foowayds

From the archives: In my conversation with Lisa Mase, we talk about her journey of working with healing plants and ancestral foodways, indigenous wisdom, spirit and intention both in her healing journey and in supporting others.

Lisa is in service to the plants and herbs that have provided healing during many health journeys. For 15 years, Lisa has been in private practice as a nutritionist, herbalist, coach, and food sovereignty activist.

Connect with Abigail
Medicine Within Academy
Heart Space FB Group
Sacred + Unleashed Membership
Instagram @yourmindbodyfree
TikTok @yourmindbodyfree

Connect with Lisa
IG @harmonized.living
FB @harmonizedlife
YouTube @harmonizedliving
harmonized-living.com

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How To Clear Your Energy

How to clear your energy

USING INTENTION AND FREE WILL TO CLEAR AND RECLAIM YOUR ENERGY

What does it mean to clear your energy?

The practice of energy clearing is a form of energetic hygiene. It’s something you do at least every day, or better yet multiple times a day to release all energies that do not belong to you, shift any of your energy that has stagnated, and call back any of your energy that had become attached to outside people, places, or things.

For so long, I didn’t think I was a powerful creator. I would often feel frustrated and stuck because outside forces seemed to dictate how I got to live my life.

I didn’t feel like I could have the relationships, wealth, healthy body, or sense of purpose that I wanted. It was like I could only go so far up the mountain and then I would fall back down again.

But in truth?

Everything I experienced was created by the thoughts, feelings, and behaviours that began INSIDE of me.

I WAS a powerful creator, but I was using my creative energy to make more frustration and lack every time that I didn’t think I was capable, worthy, or safe to have the life I wanted.

But over time, I worked with healers, and I worked on myself.

I came to learn that the more powerless you feel to outside circumstances, the more you’ve identified with false beliefs that are not aligned with your true nature.

I say this to in no way minimize the realness of those feelings of lack and struggle, I know that sh!t can be hard.

But no matter how valid those feelings are, the only person they hurt is you.

And the good news? Because the world around you is a reflection of the world inside you, that means that you can change your whole reality by changing your energy and the way you perceive life.

Just like you, your intention is powerful. Your intention guides your focus, and where your focus goes your energy flows.

You have the free will to release all energy that restricts and disrupts you.

You can practice this freedom by using the energy clearing statement that I’m about to give you.

The more you focus your intention, the stronger the energy clearing will be.

And the more you practice energy clearing, the more powerful your intention will become.

Here’s the energy clearing statement:

I bring my awareness to my 5 bodies (spiritual, energetic, mental, emotional, and physical) and I immediately invite in the highest healing frequencies of the universe.

I command out all excess energies and energies that do not belong to me, and I transmute my stagnant energy into the vibrations of love and oneness.

I immediately call my energy back from all people, situations, and outcomes I might have attached to and receive it back as healed energy. It is immediately done.”

How did it feel to read that? If you feel called to, try it again with even more intention.

Do you want to see what would happen if you used this every day and any time you felt blocked or stuck?

Give it a try. Then message on Instagram and me know how it goes. 💚

P.S. If you’re ready to fully release what’s been blocking you from everything you want and reclaim your whole, authentic self, then click here now to join me in Sacred + Unleashed.

➡️ If you’re ready to fully release what’s been blocking you from everything you want and reclaim your whole, authentic self,  then the Medicine Within Academy may be right for you. Book a free clarity call now to see if we’re a good fit.

Abigail Moss is a healer, teacher & creator of the Medicine Within Method. She helps seekers, healers and coaches embody their authentic selves and share their medicine with the world.

➡️ CLICK HERE to join my Heart Space Facebook group and receive live trainings + healing resources.

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Boundaries In The Spirit World

Boundaries In the spirit world

MEDIUMSHIP AND SPIRITUAL BOUNDARIES

How to be a medium AND have boundaries with the spirit world so you don’t get overwhelmed with other energies?

How to be a medium AND have boundaries with the spirit world so you don’t get bombarded with other energies?

I was chatting with a client the other day who is coming online to her beautiful mediumship gifts and the topic of boundaries came up.

A common challenge for new mediums is getting bombarded with requests from the other side either for help or to relay messages to the living.

Why does this happen? Well, as I once heard of a shaman who came to North America and said “you have a lot of dead people here”, I have to agree.

Most other cultures believe in a soul and crossing over, but our western society tends towards more materialist views that often don’t align with the concept of the soul living beyond this physical form.

As a result, there are a lot of dead people who…

1. don’t realize their dead (because their consciousness is still alive), or


2. don’t understand where to go when they die (into in the light ).

But our western culture aside, souls can also get caught between worlds because they’ve attached to people, places or things, because they feel they need to watch over a loved one, or because they have unresolved business on earth.

And there’s way less practicing mediums than there are spirits in need of help.

All of this makes for a situation where it’s hard to keep up with demand from the other side. 

But something I like to teach my clients and students early on is boundaries.

Boundaries with dead people are just like boundaries with the living.

If you’re a practicing medium or coming online mediumship gifts, have office hours.

Meaning when a spirit knocks on your door, tell them “I take appointments at this time on this day of the week, please come and see me then”.

Spirits will understand and respect your boundaries, so long as you live up to your end of the bargain and show up when you said you would.

And if you don’t want to take ANY appointments, you have the right to tell them to look elsewhere because you’re not available for them.

It can be as simple as that.

And if you are someone who feels called to mediumship or you’re already receiving messages from the other side, I commend you! This can be incredibly healing and heart-centered work, both for the souls who have crossed over and their loved ones on earth. Mediumship has taught me so much about love and the journeys our souls go on.

➡️ If you feel called to develop your intuitive gifts, then the Medicine Within Academy may be right for you. Book a free clarity call now to see if we’re a good fit.

Abigail Moss is a healer, teacher and creator of the Medicine Within Method. She helps seekers, healers and coaches embody their authentic selves and share their medicine with the world.

➡️ CLICK HERE to join my Heart Space Facebook group and receive live trainings + healing resources.

➡️ GET MY YOU ARE ENOUGH ACTIVATION to break free of imposter syndrome and become worthy of the life you want.

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My Conversation With a Hawk | Animal Communication

My Conversation With a Hawk

ANIMAL COMMUNICATION, THE LANGUAGE OF ENERGY + WISDOM FROM THE WILD WORLD

What is it actually like to speak with nature? 

Animal communication is a language of energy. It’s like opening a window to a big, wild, and alive world and remembering that not only did you come from that world, you are a part of it.

I sat there in the cool grass under the shade of an apple tree, letting my 13 year old dog rest his bones while my younger dog stood her watch. To all our delight, a hawk flew over and landed on a fence near us, beautifully lit by the noon sun. We admired each other for some time, and once I got over my human excitement at seeing a hawk so close up, I decided to connect with him.

I closed my eyes and felt his energy, his wildness. I felt and saw him flying over the prairies and through the forests, hunting and eating his prey. There was a beingness to him that was so interwoven with all of nature. I could feel that to be wild is to be connected to all of it at once. Feeling him now, I started communicating with him in my mind. I said and felt the energy of “hello”. He continued turning his head, looking at me and in all directions around him.

I felt him say “wild”. “Yes”, I said. “You wild”. He then asked me, “you wild?”. “No” I said, “domestic”. “Once wild?” he asked. “Yes, once wild” I replied. I felt him looking at me as he said “remember wild”. “I do” I said, “I remember wild”. And as I said this, I allowed myself to see my ancestors living off the land, hunting, interwoven with all that is, feeling nature all at once both as an individual and as the entirety of it. “Remember wild”, I said again, feeling it now.

“What you now?”, he asked. And I showed him images of my domestic life. Being in my comfortable home, feeling cozy and drinking tea, working on a computer. “What’s that?” I felt him ask as I showed him me working on a computer. “Creating”, I said, as I sent him the knowing and feeling of being a creature who created computers to then create more things with. “You create good?” he asked. “Sometimes”, I replied, as I sensed how I’ve often felt while working on my computer… lost in a task, distracted by the noise of social media. “Confused”, he said. “”Yes, confused I replied”, feeling his understanding of the true reason us domestic creatures only create good “sometimes”.

“Remember wild” he said, “remember wild when creating”.  “Yes”, I said, feeling the wisdom of his guidance. Remember that I am a being and at that the same time interwoven with all of nature experiencing itself as one. What an incredible place to create from! What could be possible when creating from this place? I thought. I felt the energy of “thank you” and sent my gratitude to him. I felt him receive it as an acknowledgement; as a witnessing of his wisdom and generosity.

I started to get up and I felt him say “stay a bit longer”. “Ok, I replied”, and enjoyed his presence and the company of my dogs on the cool grass. Eventually, he said “I will share with you my song”. Surprised and delighted, I closed my eyes and felt the song of his soul singing, showing me his essence that felt like rhythms and notes, weaving colors and fractals, feathers and sacred shimmering energy moving in a brilliant pattern and washing over me in a way that can never be expressed with words.

I thanked him, and by his request, I shared my song with him. Experiencing it as if for the first time myself as I felt the energy, rhythm and notes of my soul’s essence wash over him.

“Now we know each other’s songs. Remember.” He said. “Yes, remember.” I said. Then he looked at me more closely as I felt him say “protect”, as his awareness moved with his gaze over the forest next to us. “Protect” I said, understanding his request.

“Ok, that is enough. You go now.” he said, and then immediately flew from where he had been perched for our 20 minute conversation. I laughed at the perfect timing of his message and flight; my mind accepting the realness of our conversation in the sweet release and appreciation of laughter.

➡️ If you feel called to learn the language of energy so you can speak with your body, with animals, and the spirit of all things, then my Medicine Within program may be right for you. Book a free clarity call now to see if we’re a good fit.

Abigail Moss is a healer, teacher and creator of the Medicine Within Method. She helps seekers, healers and coaches embody their authentic selves and share their medicine with the world.

➡️ CLICK HERE to join my Heart Space Facebook group and receive live trainings + healing resources.

➡️ GET MY YOU ARE ENOUGH ACTIVATION to break free of imposter syndrome and become worthy of the life you want.

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Dr. Michael Wild: Cellular Health

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 8

Dr. Michael Wild: Cellular Health

Dr. Michael Wild: Cellular Health

Dr. Michael Wild is a Chiropractic Physician for 31 years, Functional Medicine practitioner for 15 years, certified Cellular Healing Specialist related to chronic inflammation and toxicity BioHacker for 5 years, owner of a Cellular Health Spa/Gym, and creator of “Functional Chiro-Hacking”: a synergy of all 3 of these healing services. Dr. Wild developed the protocol called “The Cellular Healing Cycle” which helped his wife live 15x longer than expected when prognosed with a “terminal” illness, AngioSarcoma (one of the rarest and most aggressive of all cancers).

Connect with Dr. Wild
Facebook Group: Restore Your Health Online
Website: RestoreYourHealth.online

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Facebook group: Heart Space Healing for Seekers
Instagram @yourmindbodyfree
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Full Show Transcript

00:00:02 – 00:00:50

Abigail: Hello and welcome to the Mind Body Free podcast. I’m your host, Abigail Moss, and I’m here with Dr. Michael Wilde. Dr. Wilde is a chiropractic physician for 31 years, a functional medicine practitioner for 15 years, and certified cellular healing specialist related to chronic inflammation and toxicity Biohacker for five years. He’s the owner of a cellular health spa and gym and creator of functional Chiro hacking, which is a synergy of all three of these healing services. He developed the protocol called the Cellular Healing Cycle, which helped his wife live 15 times longer than was prognosis with her terminal illness. Angio sarcoma, one of the rarest and most aggressive of all cancers. Thank you, Dr. Wilde, for being here. It is such a privilege.

 

00:00:50 – 00:01:30

Dr. Wild: Yeah, it’s my pleasure. It really. No, it’s my privilege to be here. I love getting to share what I’ve learned with anyone that’s willing to listen, because I really believe that, unfortunately, the world we live in is become quite toxic one, and there’s a lot of stresses put on our bodies in different ways, but we have so much that we can do to protect ourselves in reverse that if you only learn how. So I’ve kind of made it my mission. After having gone through it, I went through with my wife to share that information with as many people as are willing to listen and to take it to heart and create even the smallest, simplest changes in their lives every day to continue to improve the quality and quantity of those lives.

 

00:01:30 – 00:01:42

Abigail: Absolutely. I love that you definitely feel that you’re on a mission, and I touched on it a little bit in the intro, but can you tell me a bit about how you came to be doing this work? What that look like? What’s what’s your story?

 

00:01:43 – 00:06:11

Dr. Wild: Absolutely. And wish it’s a story that I never had to tell. And I’ve got a little guttural growling going on over here for one of my dogs, so I’m not sure he likes the story either. But because I always say wish that God gave me a different way of learning this lesson. But the reality is, I probably would have never gone to the lengths that I went to to learn what I learned. Traveling the country, spending countless hours sleeping very little to help my wife probably would have never done any of that if it wasn’t for the severity of what she did go through. So I guess I’m thankful in some way for that lesson. I’ll try and make a very long story short, but I do suffer from verbal diarrhea, so at times I will go on. So feel free to cut me off if you need to. Okay, but I met my wife when I was 17. She was 15, right? So we started a dating way back then. We we clicked pretty much off the bat and we became soulmates, right. Fast forward many years later. That started in 1984. In 2001, we all remember September 2001 because of the Twin Towers and. About a month later, my world shook and everything turned upside down. In the midst of what was happening in the world around us. When my wife was diagnosed with what we call potential breast cancer, and I say potential because we had a lump in her breast that had been there for ten years and never changed. She had fibrosis like breast to begin with, so we knew she was kind of lumpy, but there was one that was really stood out from the others, but it never changed. So it was in my mind, not likely that it was cancerous, because that doesn’t usually happen. It doesn’t stay stagnant for ten years. She just got the gut instinct that she wanted to have it checked out. So she went for a biopsy. The biopsy came out, went to the first lab, and that first lab said it looks like ductal carcinoma in situ, a very, very common form of breast cancer. But we’re not sure. And we can’t tell if it’s invasive or not. From the tissue sample we got. They sent that then to another lab. That lab said no it’s not cancer at all. So I said, okay. One says maybe one says it is. I’m sorry. One says it is. One says it isn’t. Need some kind of consensus. So we sent to a third lab and they said not only is it cancerous, it’s fully invasive. So the same tissue. Give me one second. Come here buddy, gotta pick up the baby. All right. One sample, three labs, three different results. One said yes, one said no, one said maybe. So of course that threw us into a tizzy, you know, what do you do with that information? So we decided that it was prudent to remove the lump since we weren’t sure if it was what it was. Let’s go ahead and remove it. That seemed like the the least of the evils. But at the time then of course, they said, well, if it is cancer, we want you to do chemo, we want you to do radiation. So they sent us to visit the chemo therapist and of course did my homework before got there, so could ask intelligent questions. And I found them doing my homework that this type of breast cancer was virtually. Never found in someone under 50. So all the research was done for people over 50. My wife was 33 at the time, so I knew the chemo. They wanted to give her was a biologic agent that was going to stop her body from making estrogen. Since most cancers are fed by estrogen, it’s a growth hormone. So they want to put you on drug that stops your estrogen, which is not as traumatic to someone in their 50s as this is someone in their 30s. Right? So I also did some digging and found out that if you did that, you were much more likely to develop a stroke or to have other kinds of cancers come about like ovarian cancer, right? So in five minutes of questioning the chemo therapist about asking for data that pertain to my wife and her age bracket, they couldn’t produce anything. So there was nothing. And when I said, okay, but so what’s the benefit? And they said, well, this particular drug will reduce the risk of developing cancer in the opposite breast by 50%. That’s why she should take it and say, wow, that sounds really good. In what percentage of people that take it? And they looked at me kind of funny and said, what do you mean? Said, you just told me it reduces the recurrence by 50%. My question is in what percent of people who take it? So they quickly flip through the pages. They said 13%. I said, okay, wait a second. So it doesn’t help 87% of people, but it will increase our risk of stroke and of other kinds of cancer. And they said, yeah, she shouldn’t take it.

 

00:06:12 – 00:06:13

Abigail: Oh my God.

 

00:06:13 – 00:18:59

Dr. Wild: Right. This was after five minutes of asking intelligent questions. You got to be your own advocate, right? And if you’re not familiar, you gotta find someone who is because they just put you into a pocket most of the time, and they treat you as a number. And I know I’m making blanket statements here, so apologize to any physicians who are listening, but don’t treat their patients that way. But that has been my experience. Right. So they then said, okay, well, you have to talk to the radiation oncologist. So we went to talk to the radiation oncologist, and she started talking about radiating my wife’s breast where the tumor was removed. So again raised my hand and said, let me ask you a question. Are you telling me that’s the only place that cancer could potentially be? And she said, well, no. And said because the cancer didn’t start in the breast. Right. The cancer is a process of the immune system not being able to stop something that’s growing faster than it’s supposed to be. So what’s going on here? There’s some cellular mechanism that’s causing excessive growth, or the inability of the immune system to recognize or stop it. And that happens body wide, not just in the breast tissue. And she said, of course, like we know that said, well then why don’t you radiate her entire body so well, radiation is damaging. That will kill her, said my point exactly. So why do you think radiating just the breast tissue is going to be of any benefit at all if it doesn’t stop the entire process? It started this in the first place. She literally stood up, put her hand in front of my face, and you know, the universal symbol for shut the hell up, right? Yeah, yeah. And turn to my wife and literally said, if you listen to him, you’ll die. If you listen to me, you’ll live. Which one do you want? Wow. Could you imagine the frustration? Right? Yeah. I mean, for the first time in my life, I wanted to hit a woman. Just. This woman was like, I want to strangle this woman, you know? Was like, you’ve got to be kidding me that you just said that and put my wife in that position. And she thought there was nothing wrong with that, that she knew it all. And so my wife just broke down and started crying. Right? And she said, don’t know what to do and said, you do know what to do, go with your gut. And she said, well, my gut tells me that they’ve been learning about this a lot longer than you have. I’m going to do what they tell me to do. So I had to respect that it was her body, not mine. I was just starting to research this stuff because I had to write, had not gone down that path before. And they gave her radiation treatments every day for six weeks. And it turns out that radiation caused a secondary cancer called angio sarcoma. And Andrew, sarcoma is a very rare, extremely aggressive cancer. Sarcomas make up 3% of all cancers, and Andrew sarcoma makes up 1% of the 3%. So it’s really rare, but it’s also extremely dangerous and there’s no treatment for it medically at all. Radiation caused it so you can’t get more radiation and there’s no chemo that affects it at all. So your traditional oncologist just throws their hands up and says there’s nothing that we can do, which is exactly what they told her. So I cut out a lot of stuff in the middle leading up to that. But the reality is that we found that Andrew Sarcoma a year before they diagnosed it. And for various reasons they kept us stringing along. But once they finally diagnosed it, they said, well, we honestly don’t know how you’re still alive. 90% of people will be dead within two months of first finding it. You found that a year ago, and virtually no one lives more than two, two and a half years with this. So at most we think you have two months, three months. If there’s a miracle, you should just go home and kiss your kids goodbye. My God. And can’t help but get a little welled up talking about this, even though this was many years ago, because I can’t. The anxiety and the stress that that produced for our family was unreal. So basically said, well, thank you for your opinion, but that’s all it is and it’s based on your experience. But I’m going to tell you right now, we’re not doing another thing that you tell us to do. Yeah. And we’re going to look in a different direction because obviously your methodologies don’t work so well, right? So that’s when I started to dive deeper into the physiological mechanisms of cellular dysfunction, cellular disease, and cellular health and repair, because I knew that this all started at the cellular level ultimately, and one of the predominant. Theories, I’ll say, behind the causation of cancer today is what we call cancer as a metabolic disease, meaning it begins with a dysfunction of the mitochondria in the cells, which is where you produce your energy in the cell. So your food and oxygen eventually make their way to the cell. It goes into a part of the cell called the mitochondria. And that’s like an energy factory or a lot like a carburetor in an older car where the fuel and oxygen coming together and together, they create a spark of energy. Well, that’s how your cells get their energy to be alive, to heal, repair and do their job to express their genetic code. So if there’s a problem in the mitochondria, there’s going to be a problem in that how that cell functions, its resistance, how it multiplies, if it becomes diseased, if it becomes cancer. So I started studying that and going down that path. I started learning little bits of knowledge that start to say, okay, how can I turn this into something tangible that I can treat her with? And as I learned those things, I started creating protocols and would do it with her. So I’d learn and do it and learn and do it. And in the time I was doing that, her Andrews sarcoma spread like wildfire throughout her body, especially in the first couple of months where I was trying to learn this stuff. Right. So by the time I began to actually treat her, she had cancer in every single bone in her body except for two vertebrae was the only place we couldn’t find it. She had seven tumors in her liver. She had a tumor in her pelvis the size of a volleyball. She had to burn her collarbone so large she could rest her head on it. Right. And with bone cancer, was causing the bones to expand. And, Andrew, sarcoma, by the way, spread so fast because it is a cancer of blood vessel walls. So any place you have a blood vessel, you can have andro sarcoma. So ultimately everywhere. Right. That’s why it spreads like that. So by the time I started to really help her with anything significant. The way to describe it, it was like trying to push a boulder uphill with my pinky. Yeah, right. In my mind, I knew it was not likely I was going to help save her life. I believe that could probably prolong her life. I believe that can make the quality of her life better. But knowing where starting, I knew that was going to be one hell of a job, right? And it wasn’t really me, right? It’s her body doing the healing, but was just trying to remove the roadblocks and find the paths to enable that healing better. You know, I tell people all the time, man never healed anything. Man never cured anything, right? All healing comes from above, down, inside out. I’m not particularly religious, but I am spiritual and believe in the healing energy of the universe and the healing power of the body to tap into energy, whatever you call it, Mother Nature, Yahweh, God, Jesus, it doesn’t matter to me. Buddha, right? It’s all the same greater higher intelligence than we possess on our conscious level, right? So my opinion of my role is, God damn, it ain’t junk we use when beings are great at screwing it up. Let me figure out how you screw it up. Let me see if I can give you a repair. Let’s see if we can create a bridge, a patch, or work around and let that innate, God given healing ability go to work. So that’s what I started to do with her, and she started to get better. So instead of getting worse, her bloodwork started to look better. Her immune system story gets stronger, her natural killer cell count, which is what white blood cells are that actually destroy cancer, tripled. Right? So see her by getting better and better and better, and ultimately about three years and five months later. We were having a celebration cookout in the backyard because she was supposed to be long dead. According to the greatest cultural oncological minds out there. Right. So again, they don’t know they’re making their best guess based on their paradigm and wasn’t willing to play in their paradigm. Right? So she was one for the record books because virtually no one lives that long with Andrea sarcoma, right? So and this is where it gets really kind of sad, but. We had this great cookout. She had her friends from high school. We had moved out of New York. She was from Brooklyn, was from Long Island. We had moved down to Richmond, Virginia 30, 31 years ago now. So this was oh, now 20, 22 years ago or so, we have moved down here. So she had not been in contact or hadn’t seen a lot of her friends from high school in 20 years, and they decided because of what she was going through, that they were all going to come down for this cookout. So all of her girlfriends from high school came down. It was wonderful. The camaraderie, the. And it’s like they never left, you know, 20 years apart. But they were, you know, they were never really apart. And so we had a great cookout, great party, fantastic. She was feeling great. We’d actually been to the mall shopping that day. So said, go inside, put your feet up, I’ll do the dishes. I’ll come in and rub your feet. Just a minute. While I’m doing the dishes, she starts to scream and howl in a way that I’ve never heard a person, and I rush in the room and her eyes are wide open, but she can’t see me. She’s not there, right? And she’s clawing at the walls and literally ripping her fingernails off. And she’s just saying over and over, somebody help me! Somebody help me! So I didn’t know what the hell happened, right? So it turns out what happened was that her body, she was on all kinds of drug cocktails to control the incredible pain that was being created by this cancer, expanding the bones throughout her entire body. She would literally go to pass the salt at the dinner table and her ribs would break. Right. She just before this happened, a couple weeks before, my son was graduating high school and had an award ceremony. He was getting all these awards. So my wife said, listen, I really want to go to that and says, no reason. You can’t go to that. Unfortunately, I had to work because had taken off two months from practice to care for her, and if didn’t go back to work, we weren’t going to have a house anymore. So she knew I had to go to work. But I said, you should go to that award ceremony. And she did. And on her way back out, walking through the parking lot to the car, her femur snapped in half just below the hip joint, and she ended up falling on her leg, which was backwards behind her body laying on her back, and her toes were up around her ear. They’re going to give you a visual, right? And I could wasn’t there. Right. So that’s one of the things I kicked myself for. But a dear person found her in the parking lot, helped her. She had to have emergency surgery to put her leg back together, so she was obviously in a lot of pain from that. So she was on all these drug cocktails from the surgery for the leg and from the bones breaking. And it was a ton of narcotics. And ultimately her brain reached a point of saturation of the narcotics. And what occurred was called a central nervous system rejection, where it basically says, no more, we’re not going to accept this pain modulation. And she suddenly felt all the pain rushing at once, and it broke her brain. Right. And I had a rush to the hospital, and over two weeks we tried all kinds of different methods to reduce her pain, and we got a little bit better on a 1 to 10. She went from 15 down to maybe nine. And in that time, I was not able to do any of my protocols in the hospital because I’m not a medical physician, don’t have those privileges in the hospital, was not allowed to treat her. And I slowly watched her by deteriorate day by day, would check her labs every day and see another system shut down, shut down, shut down. Because what we were doing at home with the protocols was keeping all of it at bay, while her body was slowly working to heal. But without that, everything shut down very rapidly. So she was in the hospital for two weeks and ultimately died in the hospital.

 

00:19:00 – 00:19:01

Abigail: I’m so sorry.

 

00:19:03 – 00:19:11

Dr. Wild: And that was eight years ago. I can talk about a little bit now without crying, but my dogs can’t.

 

00:19:11 – 00:19:13

Abigail: Obviously let me feel the energy of what you’re.

 

00:19:13 – 00:19:15

Dr. Wild: Saying you.

 

00:19:15 – 00:19:16

Abigail: Do. They know, right?

 

00:19:18 – 00:22:44

Dr. Wild: So learned a lot in her experience, and I told her days before she died, when she was still conscious, she kind of began to lose consciousness towards the end. But while she was still conscious, one of the last things said to her was, you know, we’re probably not getting out of here at this point. We’re going to be realistic about it. I want you to know that I’m not gonna let you die in vain. I’m going to take everything I learned to help you, and I’m going to create protocols to help other people catch it earlier, treat it better, and be able to save their cells so they can save themselves and not end up in the position you’re in. And so that’s how I ended up creating what today I call my celery healing cycle, which is a six step process to save your cells. And when found in my research was it wasn’t just cancer this pertained to. It was all chronic diseases had certain types of dysfunction in common. So especially the top five chronic diseases that everyone dies from in America cardiovascular disease like heart disease or stroke, diabetes, cancer of any kind, dementia and Alzheimer’s, and any of over 150 autoimmune conditions all have certain cellular mechanisms in common. So that’s where I work at that level. So I went on to train to become a certified celery healing specialist within functional medicine, particularly dealing with inflammation and toxicity, because those are two areas that disrupt the cell the most that you have the most control over. Right. And so I take people step by step through a process to prevent, stop and reverse the development of those chronic diseases by correcting that celery dysfunction. And if you’re going to do it right, if you’re already been diagnosed, that takes about a year to do. It took many years to actually get you into position you’re in, and it takes a while for the body to heal, right? If you’re not diagnosed yet, but you’re noticing things are really starting to get funky, you know you’re not well. There’s a middle level program offer that’s only six months long. And for people who are really pretty healthy, just want to try to top it off and be better. Have a monthly program. You go month by month as long as you think you need the help, right? So there’s all different ways in which I now do the work. I do like that. And that evolved into me creating the healing center that I have here in Richmond, Virginia, called the Biohacker zone, which I call a cellular health spa slash gym. Biohacking is a term that a lot of people are not familiar with. It basically means using scientific shortcuts to rapidly improve your health and performance. So there’s all kinds of tools and techniques and technology we can use to speed up your healing. Reduce the learning curve for your body, reduce an inflammation, reduce that toxicity very quickly. And so all my treatments are 15 to 20 minutes. And you can come in and do one or come in and do ten right. And spend a couple of hours with me. Right. Depends on what you want to do. Just like going to a gym, you can go and work out for 15 minutes or take a class for an hour, right? So there’s all different ways in which you can do that work with me and the functional medicine work I do, which is all about the cellular healing. I do that virtually with people all around the country. So I created a program called Restore Your Health Online, and in that program it focuses on my celery healing cycle. And that’s where I have those three levels of service we just talked about. But if you’re local, you also come into my biohacking spa and we speed it all up for you. Wow.

 

00:22:45 – 00:23:45

Abigail: Well, first of all, I’m sorry that you and your family, even your wife, had to go through all that. No one should have to endure that. But what a what a sense of purpose to to to to make that difference in people’s lives and bring what you learned into the world. And it’s interesting and I can relate, by the way, to not feeling the feeling like I’m slipping through the cracks. As far as Western medicine goes, I’m in Canada and doctors are very busy. They’re overworked, they don’t have time to pay attention to what’s going on. And there’s just if it’s not obvious and acute, if it’s some kind of underlying chronic thing that deals with the overall system, it just slips through the cracks. And you don’t hear a lot of people talking about cellular health. Like if someone were to ask me or some, you know, ask typical person what is cellular health? It’s like, how do you have cellular health? What does that look like? I don’t know, drink water. Like what do you do? So what does that look like when people come in say. And so where are you based locally. What area.

 

00:23:45 – 00:23:47

Dr. Wild: So I’m physically in Richmond, Virginia.

 

00:23:47 – 00:23:53

Abigail: Okay cool. So you have so your your cellular gym. If it were that’s in Richmond Virginia.

 

00:23:53 – 00:23:58

Dr. Wild: Correct. Okay. And hopefully if I have my way soon in a town near you. Yeah.

 

00:23:58 – 00:23:59

Abigail: Well that would be great. I’ll go.

 

00:23:59 – 00:24:41

Dr. Wild: In. I would love to expand that concept franchise model or something. I don’t know if really want to get involved in that whole world, but I want there to be more of these centers. Right. So I started to create this center five years ago and just recently. So in Forbes magazine, they did a whole special spread on the rise of cellular health, sports, biohacking, health, sports, and how they’re popping up in Beverly Hills in New York City and how Dave Asprey, the father of biohacking, is opening one, and all these high end facilities. And what was amazing to me is they showed pictures and said, that’s in my center, that’s in my center, that’s in my center. So we have been doing this for five years and now it’s becoming popular.

 

00:24:41 – 00:25:02

Abigail: Yeah. Amazing. Well, good. I mean, prevention is such an important piece. And I think you touched on this too. If you can get to these things sooner, then you can do a lot more with it. So what like what kinds of symptoms will people be experiencing if their cellular health is degrading, like if they need to come and see you? What kind of stuff are they dealing with?

 

00:25:03 – 00:28:05

Dr. Wild: Well, that is everything but the kitchen sink, right? Or including the kitchen sink really, because it can affect you on so many levels. The simplest thing I can say is fatigue is very common, right? A lack of energy, not necessarily that you’re so fatigue that you can’t get a bed, although some people do have that. But even, you know, why do I need another cup of coffee to get through my day, right? Why do I feel like I don’t have that vitality that I should have? So that’s that’s a big one. Hormone imbalances, right, is another big one. And that, of course, can show itself in many different ways, from early onset menopause to lack of sex drive to excess fat. Building up around your tissues. So brain fog if it’s thyroid hormone hair, skin nail problems. So there is a delicate interplay in the hormones of the body. And hormones are chemical messengers. Right. So our body makes 600 plus chemical messengers. And that’s how your gut and brain tell the cells what to do. They do it through the hormone messengers. But the hormone system, the endocrine system is what we call a closed unit, meaning that if you interfere with one, you’re going to ultimately affect one or many others because they all play off each other. It’s like a series of dominoes. You can’t knock down one without affecting the others. So there’s a very direct interplay that happen all the time when there is significant. So dysfunction that for groups of hormones and glands get involved. One is your thyroid right. So if you’re developing hypothyroidism or hypothyroidism autoimmune dysfunction Hashimoto’s you may be familiar with some of those terms. The thyroid mainly controls your metabolism for your body which is not just your fat burning, but it’s the get up and go for every cell in your body, right? So it’s the juice that gets fed into that. Mitochondria says, wake up and take that fuel and take that oxygen and create some energy. Right. So thyroid function is affected. Stress hormones are affected. Your adrenal glands right. Your cortisol your Corazon gets dramatically affected. So people tend to be more stressed out than they should be. Not sleep well because your adrenaline is too high and the cause is too high. So dysfunctional sleep patterns, they can become skittish, become sensitive to loud sounds, bright lights to say, hey, when did I start feeling so old and think it’s too loud in here, you know? So these are all signs of adrenal stress. Then we have sex hormone imbalance, right? Whether it’s male or female, we’re going to have problems with estrogen and testosterone. So these go out of balance. And you can hear the commercials every day on TV here anyway. Suffer from low tea, don’t have energy, don’t have a strength. Can’t perform in the bedroom where you want. So you know the pharmaceutical companies love to market directly to the public and our government allows it, which is insane, right? But in that model, we do hear a lot about people having these problems. They think the answer is just get an injection of that hormone that’s not fixing anything, right? That’s a Band-Aid and actually could be quite dangerous.

 

00:28:05 – 00:28:07

Abigail: Because covering in the symptom.

 

00:28:07 – 00:28:21

Dr. Wild: Yeah, right. Covers up your symptoms. Always use the analogy. You’re driving along your oil light comes on. Well, you got two things you can do about that. You can think about going to get the oil change real quick. Or you can put a piece of black tape over the oil light and keep on.

 

00:28:21 – 00:28:34

Abigail: Exactly. I feel the same way. And it’s like if you just, you just put a pill in it in your body to cover up the symptom, then whatever the trigger was for that is not going away. And it’s going to very likely show up as something more serious down the road.

 

00:28:35 – 00:28:51

Dr. Wild: Exactly right. And it often does. Right. So that’s something I try to tell people all the time. Just getting rid of your symptoms doesn’t mean you’re getting well. Right. And our traditional system is based on symptom treatment not system balance. Right.

 

00:28:51 – 00:28:55

Abigail: It’s not a cohesive look at not a holistic look at what’s going on.

 

00:28:55 – 00:32:35

Dr. Wild: Not at all. Right. It’s all very, very segmented. So we have the thyroid, the adrenals and the sex hormones. And the last part of that is your sugar metabolism in your pancreas. Right. So if you don’t metabolize your sugar properly and you can’t get that sugar into your cells and utilized properly, then it starts to damage the cell membranes and tissues. So we know we need sugar to feed ourselves for energy, right? One way or another. And we can be on a ketogenic diet and use primarily fats, right? There’s another avenue, but most of us are more sugar burners and think there needs to be a good balance of that and more of a fat burner than sugar burner. That’s a whole other topic. Hold podcast, right? But we need sugar to get into our cells, right? So insulin is the hormone that triggers a receptor or like an antenna on the cell’s membrane that says, open the door, let the sugar in. Right. So if you develop inflammation or toxicity of your cell membranes, those antenna stop working properly and they become blunt and blocked. It blocked and covered right by a toxin or damaged by excessive inflammation. And when that happens the receptors are antenna can’t hear that hormone signal. In the case of this it’s insulin. So when someone develops diabetes right type two diabetes it doesn’t just happen overnight. It starts in a gradual process that we call insulin resistance. So that cells receptor, the antenna is becoming resistant to being able to hear the hormone signal of the insulin. So that creates a negative feedback loop and throws everything out of balance. Now it’s going to affect not only your pancreas and make it work harder and harder, eventually burning it out, creating diabetes. But it’s also going to affect your metabolism and your thyroid, which is why we very commonly see diabetes and obesity go together. So much so that we now call it diabetes. Right. And then we also see it affects our sex drive and it affects our ability to handle our everyday stress. So all that’s delicately intertwined. So when you have cellular dysfunction going on I’m more commonly see problems in one of those or more of those glands than any other area of the body now can certainly spread out from there. But that’s what I very commonly see along with digestive problems. So digestive problems are intimately involved in this process because that is a foundational system our body uses for multiple things. Number one, digesting right. So our intestinal system is dysfunctional. We can’t break down our food well or get waste out. Well that’s digestion. If you can’t get nutrients in and garbage out you got a problem, right? Things are going down and they’re going down fast. The number two job that our intestines have is immune function. So 70% of all of your body’s white blood cells, your foot soldiers, your scouts, your fighters are living right in the lining of your intestines, 70% of your whole body. Because most things that get in that don’t belong get in through the big mouth, big hole we have in our face called the mouth. Right? So it goes in this way right into our intestinal tract. So we have to have that immune activity there. But that’s 70% controls 90% of your entire body’s immune reaction to anything. So the intestinal system is handling digestion nutrients in waste out and immunity. But it’s also very much involved in hormone production. So the microbiome, the critters that live in your gut, sends signals to your brain to tell it how to balance your hormones. And it sends all those signals up through one major nerve that connects from your gut, up through all of your major organs, all the way up to your brain called the vagus nerve. And you’re probably very familiar with that.

 

00:32:35 – 00:32:38

Abigail: Am familiar with the vagus nerve in trauma healing work as well. Yeah.

 

00:32:38 – 00:34:24

Dr. Wild: Yeah. Right. So that vagus nerve activates that parasympathetic part of our autonomic nervous system, which is the rest repair heal digest system. Right. So when you have cellular dysfunction, all that’s getting screwed. So can you see how it can cause all kinds of symptoms. Right. Yeah. So because it is so widespread it’s often missed because it’s this. No it’s that no it’s this because there’s so many different symptoms. So people get treated improperly because they’re treating those symptoms and never treating the cause. So I actually have on my website I created a couple of online quizzes you can take to see if you have signs of excessive cellular inflammation or signs of excessive cellular toxicity, because you may not know what those signs are, but you’re going through going yep yep yep yep yep. Right. And also look at not only what you have, but how severe it is and how frequent you have it, which helps me gauge your degree of inflammation or your degree of toxicity. And how imperative is it for you to start getting some kind of help, right. And if things are just mild, no big deal. You can kind of work on at your leisure. But if things are in that moderate to severe category, if you don’t do something soon, that cellular dysfunction is causing cellular disease. It is causing those top five killers we talked about before, years before you will ever be diagnosed, years before you’ll ever have a symptom, years before anything will show up in your blood. Right? So if you’re not measuring the right thing and I’ll tell you right now, 99% of doctors are not, you will never see this until it’s at the very end stages. So going, for example, back to that hypothyroidism. On average, someone’s thyroid has to be dysfunctional for 15 to 20 years before it shows up as something abnormal in their blood work.

 

00:34:25 – 00:34:32

Abigail: Wow. Wow. I mean, at that point, it’s been chronic for so long already, and who knows how much damage is done to the body.

 

00:34:32 – 00:35:16

Dr. Wild: Exactly right. And that we can still help, but it’s a whole lot harder, right? It takes a whole lot more time. Something that maybe we’re took three months now takes three years. Yeah, right. Because no one taught you how to test properly. No one taught you the importance of these cellular mechanisms and the role they play, or how easy it is to actually find out what’s going on and to start to fix it. It blows my mind that a simple test for under $200 can tell you all about that cellular inflammation, about whether your receptors are being blocked, about the likelihood of where it’s coming from in your diet, and can give people all kinds of guidance about how to reverse that. I mean, that’s, you know, that’s a doctor’s visit nowadays. Yeah, right.

 

00:35:16 – 00:36:01

Abigail: That’s nothing. That’s like not even my supplements for a month. Yeah. Yeah. So so someone who’s going through and I think you’ve talked about this too, with the toxicity, do you find that because the cell’s not working properly. There’s there’s like a reason behind that, right. Like, do you find it’s normally toxicity or infection that’s causing that like for so for me I’ve, you know I’ve been diagnosed with Lyme. I didn’t find out until seven years later after getting infected. And by now I’ve got like I’ve been doing a lot of work on it, but there’s a lot more work to do. And I definitely have cellular health issues, but it’s because of this infection. So do you find it’s usually like one of the two toxicity or infection or what do you find in the underlying cause is often.

 

00:36:02 – 00:37:10

Dr. Wild: So either toxicity or inflammation and infection causes inflammation and toxicity. Mm. Okay. So certain bacteria have toxic byproducts. They release that damage your nervous system tissue directly damage your endocrine system. And they create an inflammatory reaction that instead of having this acute attack where our immune system kills it and gets rid of it, it becomes ingrained and embedded and the inflammation levels go up, up, up and stay up and become chronic inflammation rather than a short term acute attack. And I’m out so that chronic inflammation, once it passes about three months of being there, that inflammation starts to really harm and damage your cell membranes rather than help them. Got it. And so infections can be one cause of that. The number one cause of inflammation is sugar. The number two cause of inflammation is grains in our diet for two reasons. One, because grains can convert faster to sugar than anything else you eat. And always use the example. If you ate two slices of organic whole wheat bread that converts to more sugar and faster in your bloodstream than drinking a can of Coke or Pepsi.

 

00:37:11 – 00:37:12

Abigail: Oh my God, it’s crazy.

 

00:37:12 – 00:37:14

Dr. Wild: Most people have no clue about that.

 

00:37:14 – 00:37:16

Abigail: It’s nuts. You wouldn’t. I wouldn’t have thought that.

 

00:37:16 – 00:37:52

Dr. Wild: Right. So grains have their benefits, but if your cells are inflamed, they’re an enemy, right? Your cells have to be healthy for you to be able to metabolize that sugar. Right. And then we have all the added sugars, right? The fructose high fructose corn sirup, all the things that are put into our food at McDonald’s. Every single thing in the menu, including the French fries, has sugar added. It’s just insane. Yeah, in some degree. And that’s there are no dummies. That’s because they know that sugar is the single most addictive food that you could put in your body, and it’s actually been proven to be more addictive than both heroin or cocaine.

 

00:37:53 – 00:37:56

Abigail: Yeah, I was going to say it’s the legal cocaine. It’s the most addictive substance.

 

00:37:56 – 00:39:30

Dr. Wild: Absolutely. Yes. Right. And so, so many people are sugar addicted and don’t realize it. Right. And when they try to do a little intermittent fasting or go on a chronic diet, they suddenly feel really ill, get headaches, get shaky. Those people are really sugar addicted. They need to get off that more than anybody else. Right? There’s just maybe a better way to do it, a slightly different version of that, so you don’t feel so bad in the process, but you’ve got to go through some form of control sometimes that’s how bad you are, right? Yeah. So sugars number one, grains are number two. So there are two reasons for grains. One because grains become sugar, but also because grains commercially raised grains are sprayed with pesticides and herbicides, especially something called glyphosate. Right? Yes. And glyphosate is the active ingredient in roundup. Thank you Monsanto right for that. And now pass the buck. Thank you bear because they sold out to bear right. Yeah. So glyphosate very very interestingly has been proven not to damage human cells. And it’s absolutely true. Right. But what they don’t tell you is what’s the purpose of glyphosate. Why are we using it. We’re using as a pesticide or herbicide. It was actually first developed in the 1970s as an industrial key leader, which meant that it was used to flush through industrial pipes to pull the mineral buildups out of the calcium. Pull out the gunk. Right. So when you ingest calcium. Come here, buddy, wait a second night. Come here, buddy. Come on. Yeah. He’s not listening, is being protected. That’s his job, all right.

 

00:39:30 – 00:39:30

Abigail: He’s doing his.

 

00:39:30 – 00:40:21

Dr. Wild: Work. All right, come on, buddy, come over here. All right. So industrial key later pulls minerals out of pipes. So when you eat something with glyphosate, it pulls your minerals out of your pipes. Right. So it demoralizes your body. And what’s the big deal about that? Well, we all know how important vitamins are. Well, vitamins don’t work without minerals, right? So minerals are the catalyst or spark that enables vitamins to do their job. So we don’t give a lot of thought to that. But there’s a lot of importance to minerals. And there are macro minerals and micro minerals. There are about 82 minerals that we want in our body altogether. Right. But glyphosate is pulling all that out. All right. They also then found that it worked really well when spilled over into killing off these weeds, actually killing any plant that it went on.

 

00:40:21 – 00:40:22

Abigail: Anything live. Yeah.

 

00:40:23 – 00:41:33

Dr. Wild: Right. And the reason it does that is it actually destroys the microbes in the soil that that plant requires to transfer minerals from the rocks into the plant, to give the plant nutrition to live. So it kills the microbes that transfer the minerals. So not only does it grab the minerals themselves, but it kills the microbes that transfer the minerals. So because it kills microbes, they then figured out it’s a good antibiotic. So it’s then used as an antibiotic industrially. Oh my god. Right. And then they realize, hey, this is also a great pesticide slash herbicide. And so let’s spray it on the weeds and kill off the weeds. Right. They then got the brilliant idea that it would be a lot easier if we can make the crops kind of resistant to it, the good crops resistant to it. So we can just spray it on everything and not have to be so careful about what it hits. So they store genetically modified crops to make them like the same resistant. And they start continually modifying corn, especially to put bacteria in them. And 90%, 95% of the corn that we get excuse me, is is genetically modified corn that has a bacterial strain in it that sets up a glyphosate production factory in your gut.

 

00:41:34 – 00:41:40

Abigail: Quite so. It creates more glyphosate in your gut. Yep. Really did not know that.

 

00:41:40 – 00:42:40

Dr. Wild: Yep. So these bacteria harbor it and they multiply. And then that’s creating more cheese, right? Very very scary what it does. So they have found. That when they gave that, they start growing grains. With that, they would use a lot of those grains as feed for animals, right? Cows and pigs and the sausage making industry start to find that they use the intestinal casing from pigs to make sausage. And that intestinal casing used to be really rubbery, kind of like a bike inner tube, really, really tough. But all of a sudden they were trying to pack the sausage and they would tear like cellophane all the time. And that was once they started using the glyphosate. It was destroying the intestinal lining. Because the glyphosate creates perforations or holes in your intestines every time you eat it. And it made it cellophane like it tore apart. So they lobbied and made sure they could no longer use glyphosate coated grains in pig feed. And they said, oh God, no, we can’t have that. Cut that out. But you’re still allowed to eat it.

 

00:42:40 – 00:42:42

Abigail: They kept using it for everything else. Yeah.

 

00:42:42 – 00:42:44

Dr. Wild: How sick is that?

 

00:42:44 – 00:42:47

Abigail: Oh my God, that’s what we have. This epidemic of what people call leaky gut.

 

00:42:48 – 00:42:48

Dr. Wild: You got it.

 

00:42:48 – 00:44:56

Abigail: You got it right. So leaky gut is when the intestinal line becomes inflamed and becomes more permeable. So your intestinal lining is an extension of your skin. If you trace your skin up your neck, up your chin, and put your finger in your mouth, guess what? It’s still the same tissue. It’s just on the inside, right? So your intestines are on the inside, your skin’s on the outsides all the same tissue. And just like you have pore is on the outside where sweat and toxins come out. But if you rub some good lotion with vitamin E, it gets absorbed and goes in. Well, your intestinal lining has pores that keep bad guys out and let nutrients in. But when it becomes inflamed or damaged by glyphosate, then those porous become enlarged. And when they’re enlarged and the holes too big, now the food that has not yet been fully digested and broken down to smaller particles drops in as a large particle. And that large particle falling into that big pothole looks an awful lot like a bacteria or a parasite. So all those white blood cells said that live right there. They attack, and when they attack, they create a localized inflammation that damages a gut lining even further. Then we have a strange habit as human beings where we keep doing this thing over and over again called eating right, and we tend to eat the same foods that are our favorite foods. We generally have our favorite five, maybe ten foods that we prepare ten, maybe 15 different ways, right? But it’s all the same stuff. I like chicken, I like carrots, right? So we keep eating these same things. So if the same things keep coming into the body and those same structures like your level keep dropping through those holes, that localized attack now becomes a systemic attack because the white blood cells say, hey, I beat you up yesterday and the day before and the day before, and you keep coming back. So I’m going to have to alert the big guns, right? I’m gonna have to pull all the fire alarms in this building until the tanks and jets, the antibodies to get involved, to tell the chemical mediators, the cytokines, the leukotrienes, the histamines to get involved. And when that happens, we start developing what’s known as food sensitivities and food allergies.

 

00:44:56 – 00:45:16

Dr. Wild: And that’s kind of the journey I’ve been going on. It’s like foods. I used to never be allergic to anything. And then after dealing with this infection, increased more and more food sensitivities and less and less foods that I can actually eat, but always like some degree of inflammation there. So it’s I I’ve limited living that story you just shared and it’s all all lines up.

 

00:45:16 – 00:45:17

Abigail: Yeah, it’s.

 

00:45:17 – 00:45:52

Dr. Wild: All too common. And the causative agent can be very different for different people. Right. It could have been food poisoning one time. It could have been another co-infection. It could have been sustained emotional stress that pumped out too much cortisol too long. And that cortisol then damage it inflamed your gut lining. It could be a medication. Ibuprofen can do it right. Ibuprofen causes a lot of intestinal damage and heart damage and kidney damage and vascular erosion, and can cause hemorrhage and stroke. And all this is actually on the box. Now, who reads it? No one. Right?

 

00:45:53 – 00:46:10

Abigail: This is assumption that it’s safe because it’s sold to you in a store or it’s prescribed by a doctor. So we just assume that, well, I mean, they’re taking care of us. It’s got to be okay. So. Yeah. So. Okay. Dig us out of the hole, Dr. wild, what do we do? All right, tell me about the treatment.

 

00:46:11 – 00:46:12

Dr. Wild: Right.

 

00:46:12 – 00:46:15

Abigail: I wouldn’t put you in ruin if couldn’t save you.

 

00:46:15 – 00:46:16

Dr. Wild: Exactly.

 

00:46:16 – 00:47:12

Abigail: Okay, but think it’s important to understand the depth of the problem. And we didn’t even get into toxicity. Okay, that’s even a bigger problem, right? And just real story short, there are over 80,000 chemicals used every day in the environment, and very few of them have ever been tested. The EPA tests on average four new chemicals a year, all the thousands that are pumped into our air, food and water. And when we do test them, we find out that most of them are very toxic. Bad to your nervous system. Cancer causing agents tested my tap water recently and there were. 15 different chemicals in my tap water, five of which were well known cancer causing agents. Right? So I tell everybody, don’t drink tap water, right. Use a reverse osmosis filtration system to pull that stuff out. So good at pulling everything out. Even pulls out the minerals. So put minerals back in before drink it, right. But that’s just to say, everyone has to understand. There’s no way we’re going to escape it.

 

00:47:13 – 00:48:02

Dr. Wild: This is just the world we live in. This is just the world. And it’s. It’s the world we’ve created. But, I mean, humans have done all kinds of messed up stuff in the past. Like, at least we’re not putting lead in gasoline anymore, and we’ve kind of come back from that. But yeah, there’s always hope there. But I agree with you. There’s definitely there’s this. We live in this, these insane times when it comes to what we’re doing to the human microbiome to like the microbiome of the Earth, you know, to the soil, like you said, like we’re giving all these antibiotics into the soil that that is that is a living being in itself. That is, you know, creating the food that we eat, whether or not that has minerals and nourishment that we need that is supporting all of these, you know, different ecosystems that are meant to work together in harmony. And we’re really fucking with a delicate thing when we do this.

 

00:48:02 – 00:48:04

Abigail: And it’s absolutely ah, you’re right.

 

00:48:04 – 00:48:06

Dr. Wild: Right. So I’m sure you’re familiar with the term Gaia.

 

00:48:07 – 00:48:08

Abigail: Right? Yeah.

 

00:48:08 – 00:48:09

Dr. Wild: Absolutely right.

 

00:48:09 – 00:48:46

Abigail: Gaia’s Mother Earth, and there was a great book I read back in high school called The Gaia Hypothesis. And I was always kind of thinking a little bit outside the box, even back then. And it talked about the fact that mankind is the cancer of the earth. So if you looked at the Earth like a human being body, it has a lot of the very same qualities as a human body does. It breathes, it transfers fuel into energy. It does all these things just like we do. Right? And just like a body can develop cancer, which erodes the function of that body to the point where it eventually destroys that body. We are that to the Mother Earth.

 

00:48:47 – 00:48:48

Dr. Wild: Right? And I.

 

00:48:48 – 00:49:26

Abigail: I hear that and I used to feel that way myself. And I do, you know, I see that perspective as well. But I kind of see cancer as this mutation where the cells forget that they are part of the whole. And I see that’s what’s happened with humanity like we are. We’ve forgotten that we are, you know, and we were birthed from this earth, and we are connected to it mentally, physically, spiritually. And so it’s this we’re hurting ourself. We just have forgotten that through like this sense of ego separating us. And there’s this call now to like, you know, you either change or die. What are you going to do? Humanity.

 

00:49:26 – 00:49:27

Dr. Wild: Yep.

 

00:49:27 – 00:50:03

Abigail: I agree with that. Totally. And my view of cancer is cancer is non disease. Cancer is a survival mechanism. Right. So when a cell comes up against a hurdle that it can’t get. Through, it has to either hit that wall and die, or figure out a way to get over, under or around it. Right. And when it has to do that, that’s a mutation. So it’s a survival mechanism. So cancer is a healthy response of a cell to an unhealthy environment. But the problem is the mechanism then in that process becomes dysfunctional and doesn’t shut off.

 

00:50:04 – 00:50:04

Dr. Wild: Right.

 

00:50:05 – 00:50:25

Abigail: So it can have a short term mutation and then reset. But when we have our mitochondrial damage, it actually begins to alter the genetic mechanisms. And ultimately that cell starts to reproduce. And as you said, it forgets it’s part of the whole anymore. It becomes detached. And its only concern is its own survival, not the survival of the host.

 

00:50:26 – 00:50:26

Dr. Wild: Right.

 

00:50:26 – 00:50:29

Abigail: So ultimately, I think we’re probably on the same.

 

00:50:29 – 00:50:31

Dr. Wild: Page I think so.

 

00:50:31 – 00:50:41

Abigail: Yeah, yeah. And along those lines, I do believe that even if we are the cancer of the planet, the planet will survive long, long after we’re gone.

 

00:50:42 – 00:50:44

Dr. Wild: Humanity has risen and fallen before.

 

00:50:44 – 00:50:45

Abigail: Exactly right.

 

00:50:45 – 00:50:47

Dr. Wild: Hopefully we’ll figure it out this time.

 

00:50:47 – 00:50:59

Abigail: We found different ways to screw with this system before, and I’m sure we’ll do it again. And I’m sure that Mother Nature or Higher Intelligence or God will find a way to go reset button. Yeah. You know.

 

00:50:59 – 00:51:41

Dr. Wild: Right now we’re at this tipping point. We’re at a turning point where we go either direction and, you know, things like, for me, a big part of my journey was plant medicines, ayahuasca, which experience is like speaking with Gaia in many ways. It’s like speaking with the spirit of the Earth. And there’s a prophecy about, you know, Eagle and the Condor Alliance, where North Americans and South Americans come together to create this change, a new way of being on the planet. And we see things like plant medicines spreading and becoming more well known for better and for worse. But it’s like these messaging, this message is trying to get out into the world where it says, if the Earth. It feels like to me anyway, is saying, hey, listen, now’s the time to change. You have you’ve gone far enough?

 

00:51:42 – 00:51:45

Abigail: Exactly. I just really hope that people are listening, you know.

 

00:51:46 – 00:51:47

Dr. Wild: Some are.

 

00:51:47 – 00:51:49

Abigail: Yeah, some are. Right. But yeah, it’s.

 

00:51:49 – 00:51:50

Dr. Wild: More wake up.

 

00:51:51 – 00:51:51

Abigail: I agree with that.

 

00:51:52 – 00:52:01

Dr. Wild: Now, I don’t know how much it’s going to take. How many slaps do you have to get before you start waking up. You know, think the earth is getting hit with so many left it’s begging for a right, you know?

 

00:52:01 – 00:52:02

Abigail: Yeah, totally.

 

00:52:02 – 00:52:05

Dr. Wild: So. And I’m so sorry about that barking.

 

00:52:06 – 00:52:11

Abigail: Oh, I can barely hear it. That’s okay. Usually it’s on my end. So so so.

 

00:52:11 – 00:52:13

Dr. Wild: Yeah. So what do we do about this.

 

00:52:13 – 00:52:13

Abigail: What do we do.

 

00:52:14 – 00:55:43

Dr. Wild: So there are doctors out there like myself who view the body as a whole, right. Who don’t look at as these compartmentalized individual systems and symptoms. Right. But we’re looking for how it all intertwines. And traditionally that would be called a functional medicine practitioner. Right. And a lot of people aren’t familiar with that term, but it’s been around for a little while now. Jeffrey Bland, who’s a PhD, he coined the term, is considered the father of functional medicine, and I think it’s probably. 10 or 15 years ago that he came up with the term, and I realized that I was actually doing functional medicine before it became cool. Right? So I was practicing that way for probably 20, 25 years, just investigating deeper, looking at nutrient status, looking at the interrelationship of the systems and not paying attention so much to the symptoms, but saying what’s not working here, what’s not in balance, how can we help that? So there are many different ways in which a practitioner can practice functional medicine, and many different practitioners can do that. You’re a nutritionist can do it. Your acupuncturist can do it. Your medical doctor, you’re a chiropractor, right? So it’s a way in which we view the body. And there is a commonly there is a matrix that that doctor will follow to say, okay, let’s check this system, then this system and this system, and look for certain commonalities and then start addressing things in a certain order that makes logical sense to be most efficient and most effective in reversing all these damaged processes. Now, for me, that’s what I’ve evolved into my cellular healing cycle and the way I do, it’s a little different than any other doctor, just based on my experiences, what I’ve learned, what I’ve seen, work what I’ve seen not work. Right. So I’ve really fine tuned that over the last eight years since I’ve lost my wife, and I’m sure I’ll continue to fine tune it going into the future. So it’s not written in stone. And some people will say to me, oh, got your protocol. But it was a little bit different than what we talked about. I said, yeah, because last night I read new research and I changed something. Right? So I try to stay on top of it as much as I can, but if someone wants some direction, I recommend talking to a functional medicine practitioner. There are going to be the ones who are going to probably get this concept better than most. Right now, within functional medicine, I have chosen that very specific niche of cellular inflammation and toxicity. Together nicely just function because that is the common cause of all these diseases. So while I don’t treat heart disease, I don’t treat diabetes, I don’t treat cancer per se. I treat the common denominator that all of these chronic diseases have, which is where it all starts. And based on that, you can reverse all of these processes. You just have to know what to look for, how to test for it with the right tests which are rarely done, and what to do with that information. Right? So that’s something that of course, I specialize in. And if anybody would like some help with that, I’d be happy to talk to them. I always offer a free what I call discovery call. It takes about 15 minutes, and you can tell me what’s going on with you and could tell you if think that’s something can help or not. If it’s something I can’t help, I’m going to try to find you someone who can help you. And if we decide that that’s something that’s good for us to do together, great. We’ll go forward and work together. But even if we don’t, no harm, no foul. You’re going to walk away from that discovery call with some concrete information about how to improve your health in life. Because I’ve never had a single call yet where I couldn’t find something to help someone.

 

00:55:44 – 00:55:51

Abigail: Love that. That’s beautiful. Where do people find you if they’re called to to learn more about this?

 

00:55:51 – 00:56:28

Dr. Wild: So the easiest place is to go to my what I call my umbrella website, because I have too many websites and too many ways of contact me. So my umbrella website is Doctor Wild can help because I usually can write. So it’s Doctor Wild can help. Com so when you go to Doctor Wild can help. You can read all about the stuff we shared today. You can read more about my methodologies, what I do, why I do it, about the synergy of the chiropractic care, the functional medicine, the biohacking into what I call the functional chiro hacking. I mean, why not make up words? It’s fun.

 

00:56:28 – 00:56:29

Abigail: Right?

 

00:56:30 – 00:56:49

Dr. Wild: But also on there, if you go to the programs section in the menu, you’ll see Restore Your Health online. And if you click on that, that’s where you can read in much more detail all about the three levels of service I use to prevent, stop and reverse this. So dysfunction we’ve been talking about tonight.

 

00:56:50 – 00:56:53

Abigail: Love it. Love that. And I’ll put those in the show notes as well. Drop the link.

 

00:56:53 – 00:56:53

Dr. Wild: Okay, cool.

 

00:56:53 – 00:57:10

Abigail: Yeah. This has been really helpful and really eye opening. Some of the things I knew and a lot of things I didn’t know. If there is a parting message you’d want to share with people out there who are struggling. What would you want to say to those people and to the world right now?

 

00:57:11 – 00:57:52

Dr. Wild: So first and foremost, you are not a victim, all right? Your illness didn’t happen to you for no reason. Your illness happened. If you have an illness because of things that are in the environment around you and because of the choices you have made. Hate to tell you, but it’s true. Only 3% of all diseases are truly, fully genetic. So when someone says, oh, it’s in your family, big deal. There’s lots of diseases and families that not every family member gets right. And we’ve seen the research where we take twins, identical genes and one is very sickly and one is robustly healthy.

 

00:57:52 – 00:57:53

Abigail: Yep. Right.

 

00:57:53 – 00:58:50

Dr. Wild: So the difference here is what we call epigenetics. So while you’re born with a blueprint, what gets built from that blueprint depends on the form and your desire to hire. You decide to hire for the contract, the workers that foreman hires, the materials they choose to use to do the building right. And that is your nutrition, your exercise, your neurologic functioning, your ability to cope with the stresses of your life. Right. There’s so many factors that determine how your genes are expressed. So while you’re born with the genetic code, how those genes turn on or off is ultimately 97% up to you. Yep. And there’s two main things that have been shown to change how those genes express. Number one is how you think because your thoughts and emotions change your biochemistry, which change your genetic transcription and coding. And number two is what you put in your mouth. So your most powerful tool that you have is your fork.

 

00:58:51 – 00:58:52

Abigail: Right.

 

00:58:52 – 00:59:20

Dr. Wild: So what you think and and what you eat makes a biggest difference in your health. And you have the ability to turn that around. Right. Most of my patients get significantly better in three months. Nice, right? Depends on how bad they are. Some take six, some take 12. But everyone can say, I cannot believe how much better I am than I was three months ago, just by doing the simple things you told me to do. Because they’re simple, yet profound.

 

00:59:21 – 00:59:38

Abigail: Amazing. Amen. I couldn’t agree more. Thank you so much for being here and for doing this work. The world needs it and I hope you have a lot more centers all over the world. People can come and heal and prevent this stuff.

 

00:59:38 – 01:00:58

Dr. Wild: Me too. You know, I really do believe that God puts us here for a purpose. I think that most of our lives, we probably don’t know what that purpose is. We haven’t really dialed in on exactly what that’s supposed to be. And I think a lot of times that kind of leaves some people feeling lost and they kind of wander, right. But I think that ultimately when the time is right, you’re going to get a big aha moment. That’s what I’m supposed to be doing. That’s what I was put here for. And I really believe that I’ve reached that point in my lifetime’s evolution this time around. Right. And believe that everything I’ve gone through in my life, and there’s been a lot of other things that led to that as well, but especially what I went through with my wife, Linda. Took me out of the frying pan into the fire, and took me in a direction in which I have never gone before, but a direction that I can never go back on, right? I can’t unlearn what I learned, and I can’t unshare or not be propelled to share what I know. So I believe that’s what God put me here for. I’m on a mission. I’m never going to stop. They can’t stop me. Whoever they are, they’ve already kicked me on Facebook multiple times. Don’t care. Right. I’m still going to talk about what people need to understand in order to help themselves heal. And as I said in the beginning of this, because when you save yourselves, you save yourself. It’s that easy.

 

01:00:59 – 01:01:07

Abigail: Absolutely. You’re definitely someone on a mission. You can spot someone like that a mile away. You got it. Burn it all around you. So keep doing what you’re doing.

 

01:01:10 – 01:01:11

Dr. Wild: Awesome.

 

01:01:11 – 01:01:13

Abigail: All right. Thank you.

 

01:01:13 – 01:01:14

Dr. Wild: You’re welcome. Thank you.

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Dr. Owen Schwartz: Healing in the Superconscious

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 7

Dr. Owen Schwartz: Healing in the Superconscious

Dr. Owen Schwartz: Healing in the Superconscious

Dr. Owen Schwartz is a holistic medical doctor specializing in psychospiritual therapy, soul journeys and transformative energy healing. In this conversation we explore Owen’s journey of discovering spiritual healing and his process of guiding patients into the superconscious mind.

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00:00:02 – 00:00:28

Abigail: Hello and welcome. I’m speaking today with Dr. Owen Schwartz. He is a holistic medical doctor specializing in psychotherapy, soul journeys, and transformative energy healing. I’m so excited to introduce him because he’s actually a local Calgary doctor that I’ve been fortunate enough to be working with lately, and it’s just the most interesting shifts happen really quickly as we we talk together. So thank you for being here, Owen.

 

00:00:28 – 00:00:32

Owen: Thank you for doing this, for the people and for everything. Wonderful.

 

00:00:32 – 00:00:41

Abigail: Oh, absolutely. My pleasure. Thank you. Can you tell me a little bit about what’s your story? So kind of how did you get into doing this work?

 

00:00:41 – 00:01:44

Owen: So my story goes way back when I first was in as a medical student, even I kept dreaming and imagining that there was something greater than a contained office with four walls. It’s like the spirit was flowing in the land, in myself, in my heart. And I said, I’m feeling an emptiness or sterility as much as medicine’s a very technical and practical discipline, you really got to study for it, especially in those days. You were on your own as a family doctor. In those early days, I felt that just didn’t fit me. So very soon after graduation, I embarked on a holistic model, which there was no words for that. But you might say a holistic model and look for influencers like I looked for people. That would be examples of that because I didn’t quite understand it all at the time, came in gradual.

 

00:01:44 – 00:01:53

Abigail: When you were doing it, there wasn’t a lot. It wasn’t as popular as it is now. You kind of have to figure it out in your own. So who did you look for at the time that helped inspire you?

 

00:01:54 – 00:02:00

Owen: Women, not intuitive people, actually.

 

00:02:00 – 00:03:28

Abigail: You know, in the early days it was a matter of also there was a league called the Lesch League at that time of of breastfeeding mothers, and they understood a holistic way of preparing for their childbirth and the childbirth birth itself and a kind of a gentle childbirth. And they and they also were interested in nutrition and stress. So they were like one of the first models I had for prevention. I also read the white paper that was in way back written way back. It was the white paper on health. Forget the technical name, and it basically stated that medicine is not really dealing with prevention. And I thought, wow, it would be exciting to focus on prevention with those kind of backgrounds. When when I went to the university and taught family medicine at McMasters, I really was pushing for prevention and midwives and really empowering the whole sense of human spirit and women. Did my original essay at Dalhousie. This is before I went to Mac. I did my original work thesis in my undergraduate or postgraduate. I did it on stress and what happens to human beings. So that was the beginning.

 

00:03:29 – 00:03:29

Owen: Wow.

 

00:03:30 – 00:04:00

Abigail: And I think it’s so interesting that you kind of immediately, intuitively felt like, okay, here’s Western medicine, but there’s these four walls, as you described it, that’s like very kind of rigid, but you were drawn to learn in a way that it sounds like they weren’t, you know, the traditional system wasn’t teaching it. So when you went on to do your, your thesis in stress and the effects of that, what did you find from that?

 

00:04:00 – 00:05:05

Owen: Basically, I found we were able to prove it scientifically, so to speak, that stress had a big impact on health particularly, and it was a primitive response measure of stress. It was basically just measuring life events. But if you had a life event that was within a couple of if you followed the person for a couple of years, they’d have definitely more health issues, diseases and so on. And that could be quantified in a family practice. So that was a gross measure. At the same time as I was doing that, I got really interested in meditation. I saw people, what are they doing? So I had to find this is, you know, in my 20s, I said, wow. And as I learned about meditation and I said, what a powerful way of influencing people where they could go into their inner life and find something and also pursue something beyond their ego, beyond themselves. Spirit.

 

00:05:07 – 00:05:11

Abigail: What did that lead to for you? Is that what you found when your meditations.

 

00:05:12 – 00:06:08

Owen: Led me in one direction? In that meditation is really a technique. A meditation is a kind of a technique and prayer combined. So if you don’t understand that, you have to be still with your body and you haven’t calmed your nervous system enough, you can’t really meditate. So the how to became very useful. Just how do you do that? Or you look at your third eye at center. So that became useful. Then I just went deeper and deeper into it. And then when I traveled to California and various places, I got all kinds of influences on spirit and healing and various levels, astral and soul healing. And I said, wow, I wonder how you incorporate all this. Well, you couldn’t do it with very easily within a framework of medicine. It just wasn’t open. Like it’s much more open now.

 

00:06:09 – 00:06:10

Abigail: Yeah. Thank God.

 

00:06:10 – 00:06:11

Owen: Anyway.

 

00:06:13 – 00:06:19

Abigail: So is that what you incorporate now elements of that in the work that you do.

 

00:06:20 – 00:07:28

Owen: So now it’s the focus is very much on learning, learning to develop your own empowerment and your connection to spirit. Like if you think of medicine now they’ve included everybody’s including body, mind and, you know, basic things, even mindfulness. But they’re not really including the the true sense of spiritual heart and what that means. And that just research was from the Duke University and other places have proven to be extremely important in health. And also adding to this, when we think of health, that’s not the ultimate goal, because no matter what, we die. So it’s good to be healthy. But you know, you can’t beat Father Time. So what do you do in all life? What do you do to develop meaning? Your destiny? Spirituality? How do you connect to find that inner being and to expand that, to experience?

 

00:07:28 – 00:08:09

Abigail: That’s I love that. Yeah. It’s so true. And it’s it’s really obvious and funny when you frame it that way. Like we are all going to die. So if health is the ultimate goal, like that’s, that’s a temporary thing that we get to have. You know, it’s fleeting. So I think it’s one of those things that because a lot of people don’t know how to look beyond. On that, find that sense of deeper fulfillment or enlightenment. I wonder if that’s part of why, as a society, we often seem to like try not to look at death. You know, we try to like, kind of forget about it, because the ego is this fear of death, because the ego doesn’t understand how the soul continues on.

 

00:08:09 – 00:08:26

Owen: That’s right. And of course, it’s, you know, it’s popular too. So a lot of people would believe we just die. That’s not borne out by the inner science of the soul, thousands of years of all traditions, especially yoga. But that’s another story.

 

00:08:26 – 00:08:30

Abigail: Yeah, absolutely. The everlasting part of us.

 

00:08:31 – 00:08:31

Owen: Yes.

 

00:08:32 – 00:08:49

Abigail: No talking about that. Not only is it everlasting, but the soul contains the perfect template for the mind and body. We can live, alter and transmute ourselves if we can. Truly, over time, it takes time, listen and go inwards.

 

00:08:49 – 00:09:04

Owen: 100%. I couldn’t agree more and I like I love that you talked about, you know, empowerment and connection to spirit being a big part of what you do. Can you tell me a little bit more about what that looks like? So what is the empowerment piece?

 

00:09:04 – 00:10:26

Abigail: It has multiple levels. I don’t know if I can even capture it all now. One of the typical things that people do or I do it too, we become quite self-critical. We haven’t done enough. Here’s where we’re at. And when you look at the soul, you have an infinitely long journey. And. What’s stated really is that spirit doesn’t care that you goofed in the past. It’s going to do now. So self acceptance instead of constantly rejecting putting yourself down. I’m not good enough. This I’m not quite ready. And so people procrastinate. Hold off instead of saying spirit just wants love. Don’t have to be ready for anything except to open my heart. Instead, people spend years in procrastination and diddling instead of really advancing forward boldly with the soul. And the soul’s the source of that power. It’s automatic. It’s there. It’s the strength in all aspects of your character, quality of life, the way you express in the world. And of course, it’s gradual, might take lifetimes, but you have the greatest aid within you 100%.

 

00:10:26 – 00:11:11

Owen: I love that spirit doesn’t care that you goofed in the past. It’s so good. It’s like we judge ourselves. Part of that connection with spirit that you mentioned. It takes time, maybe lifetimes, which I fully agree with. I think it’s those judgments that we put on ourselves that begin to sever that connection with our own soul or with spirit like that of like, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not deserving all of these things because of what I did in the past or in other lifetimes, even. I can’t be whole now, but it’s like spirit, universe, source, whatever you want to call it. It is a part of us, and it wants us to be connected with it. Because why wouldn’t you want to heal a part of yourself? So it’s like that self judgment is just not really serving anyone.

 

00:11:12 – 00:11:12

Abigail: Yeah.

 

00:11:12 – 00:11:45

Owen: And that’s a wonderful point. That spirit wants us. Spirit is so you might say that spirit universe, however you want to say God is transpersonal, it’s cosmic. It’s like in everyone it’s massive. You can’t even begin to fathom it. But you might say God’s Spirit, the universe is personal and knows you, and you can have a direct personal connection. That to me was another fundamental statement or learning.

 

00:11:46 – 00:12:07

Abigail: Yeah, absolutely. It’s no one can really tell you what your relationship should look like. It is such a like I feel it’s a personal sense of discovery. It’s like as you go into self discovery, you go into discovery of life and energy and consciousness. Yeah. So what does it look like when you help people connect to their spirit?

 

00:12:08 – 00:13:58

Owen: One of the aspects is understanding what are the qualities of the soul brains. You might say that one obvious one is. Absolute love, unconditional love, which is largely unavailable in this world. In a practical way, we’re going to have some conditions. It would be very people say love unconditionally, but if they examine it, but they can come close. But the soul is so love. Nobody is joy or happiness or bubbling bliss or. And it doesn’t mean it’s there and it doesn’t have to be there in you all the time. You just know that you’ve got a resource that you can reach into for that. So we’ve got love and joy, and then you also got. Let’s see what would be the next one. It would be resilience and endurance because the soul doesn’t die. It can endure. And you can bring those qualities in because you might have a difficult time and then you just bring in them. And peace, of course, is essential. So you bring in this peace and then you might say empowerment or strength or resilience. That’s a quality the soul has and you can draw from that. And then wisdom and intuition. Intuition is one of the ways of really avoiding suffering. Because of course if we don’t use wisdom or a higher intelligence, we can keep making mistakes that cost us karmically. So there is karma and there are certain things that are inevitable. We’re going to meet challenges, but how you handle them can depend on your own resources. And one way of developing that wisdom is to get to know your soul.

 

00:13:59 – 00:14:39

Abigail: I love that. I do, I do hot yoga and doing it to help treat chronic health conditions that have been talking with you about. And so when I don’t go for a long time, I can start feeling more drained and worn down. But when I’m in yoga and I’m sweating and I’m doing these flows, it’s like I activate this warrior spirit inside of me and it’s like I’m just focused and I just like, I am the warrior. And it’s just so clear that in the when I’m in that frequency that everything can be solved, that I’m much stronger than any challenge I’m facing. And it’s those moments that really feels like I’m connecting with that aspect of my soul, the aspect that I need in that moment.

 

00:14:40 – 00:14:40

Owen: Love it.

 

00:14:40 – 00:16:02

Abigail: And then if we think of one aspect of the soul you can get directly in meditation is the soul comes through energy or or chee or prana. That energy is available to us. We can draw in that not just energy, but intelligent energy. So the soul has no problem healing anybody. It might take time, it might resistance. It may not work simply, but the soul can fix what the doctors and herbalists and anybody else can’t. On the physical level, even the emotional level, there’s it’s the spiritual adjustments that can happen. And if you look at all the great healing traditions that are often channeled, God or spirit, because they’re channeling the pure light into those cells that need readjusting so you can get it directly through. Meditation, Prana qigong. But it’s not obvious because you have to go deep to catch it. And especially a chronic disease. It’s very complex. You have to approach it. It’s very rare that you get a sudden change, but gradually, gradually you can make an impact. That’s power. That’s empowerment. But not only for health, for your life, for relationship, for your career.

 

00:16:03 – 00:17:01

Owen: Absolutely. Like as I’ve been healing, like I’ve now discovered as Lyme, as I’ve been healing, that like I had to go to yoga, it was too tired to do anything besides lie there for our for the first two months. And I was just continually crying and doing inner child healing and path life healing. There was so much built up stuff to work on. It took some time, like something gets to that point. There’s a lot of layers to clear and let go of, but I found out that I’ve been letting go of so much of it and kept the intention. I think what you said was endurance and like resilience and persistence. It was on my part. Then more opportunities started opening up, more other opportunities for physical support. I find, like when the soul’s aligned, like you said, like there’s so much energy that can come from that, so much healing. And then also it kind of opens up. I found it anyway. These potentials for whatever else is needed starts coming into your awareness at that point to.

 

00:17:02 – 00:17:16

Abigail: Like the word potentials and also like that it’s a process. It may be very difficult at first and might say. There’s a saying. A saint is a sinner that never gave up.

 

00:17:16 – 00:17:24

Owen: So true, because to sin just means to miss the mark, right? And if you don’t give up on getting the mark.

 

00:17:24 – 00:17:45

Abigail: Yeah, a sin isn’t to take it literally. Exactly like stated, the sin is more. Yes, that’s well put. It’s. I just wanted to put the same accurately to its words rather than in a gospel interpretation of what sin. Because you can look at good and evil in the soul and understand what good and evil is.

 

00:17:46 – 00:17:48

Owen: So what is good and evil in the soul?

 

00:17:48 – 00:18:17

Abigail: What’s stated in yoga is that good is the direction towards spirit, towards your in your spirit and actually evil. It’s not that it’s evil in the usual sense that it’s the direction away through pure materialism in which you separate from your soul, you’re just into your body. In the physical is a degree of negativity because you’re you’re directing yourself away from your source spirit.

 

00:18:17 – 00:18:18

Owen: That’s interesting.

 

00:18:18 – 00:18:20

Abigail: That’s the definition.

 

00:18:20 – 00:18:53

Owen: Yeah. Well, and I think that I believe the translation of sin, the definition is actually to miss the mark. So it’s this idea of like you’re getting colder, you know, you’re not getting closer to like this expansive opening of spirit and enlightenment. You’re getting colder. I mean, there are, I think, other qualities in the world that with duality there is this sort of sense of evil. But as you’ve described it, it definitely feels like a closing down and a separation from like a leaf that separates from this. The source energy of the tree begins to shrivel up.

 

00:18:53 – 00:19:06

Abigail: Perfect. And wherever you are, it’s okay. You could have had a life of pure materialism and you exclude spirit, but it’s never too late. Wherever you are.

 

00:19:06 – 00:19:24

Owen: When pure materialism never makes anybody happy, if people who don’t feel like they’re good enough inside can go and get the Lamborghini and the yacht and the mansion and all of the status in the world. But then there’s still it doesn’t feel that void, because that void can’t be filled with stuff that be filled with their own soul and their wholeness.

 

00:19:24 – 00:19:24

Abigail: That’s right.

 

00:19:25 – 00:19:30

Owen: When you work with people, how does that work? What does it look like when you’re actually working with people?

 

00:19:31 – 00:21:21

Abigail: I do have a website describes some of it so called Calgary Therapy md.com. And in working with people, I want to work where they’re at. So people often come with, say, relationship issues. It’s quite common because it’s complex relationships. So then we’d work right there. We’d say, well, and then I don’t have an agenda like how that relationship should go, what should happen? But we always introduce the soul. We’re always introducing the spirit and say, okay, on deep reflection, maybe not now. Maybe go home with it. Where are you? What’s the feeling? What’s the connection? So it can really vary. That’s one area. Some people, they have to get in touch with their feelings because they’ve never really felt in childhood. They weren’t allowed to feel. So that becomes important. But ultimately you want to get beyond your feelings. Feelings are just still on the surface. So once you get in touch with them, that’s fine. How do you challenge beyond the feeling? Because the feelings, the soul has no feeling, only joy. The soul directs without feeling of joy. So it doesn’t mean we ignore our feelings, but we have to go through them. So some people need a journey more into their ego. Others are ready to advance more boldly, and they can bring in the light directly and challenge their life and change their life. Or maybe not just flow with that space. So it’s actually a whole bunch of different discussions. I also do a soul journey, which really makes a big difference as a person gets to experience it directly.

 

00:21:22 – 00:21:23

Owen: What is a soul journey?

 

00:21:24 – 00:22:55

Abigail: So a soul journey is it’s quite simple. It could be called a meditation, but the difference is that to a degree I’m helping direct a little bit. So unlike hypnosis, hypnosis is defined usually as you’re connecting to your subconscious mind. That means your mind. It could be from all your lifetimes, but it’s in your consciousness. Subconscious, the soul journey. The soul’s connected to the source, to the superconscious. And so the idea is to bring that soul in, that it’s like a person is broken and they go to a ceremony. It could be a church or mosque, it could be anywhere in that. They get this. It’s just the feeling of that. They get this enlightenment they go through. This could be a ceremony in Peru, but in that they touch something very deep, the pure light of spirit. And they feel that often it’s a figure like an angel. Divine mother is guiding them, and they have that sense of support, and then they can go back through the pain of childhood and different things that have occurred and see it in a completely new dimension where they feel empowered, supported and loved, and then they can literally transform alchemy or change their response. So child that’s been hurt and broken becomes the empowered child and soldier.

 

00:22:55 – 00:23:12

Owen: So it’s like when they are in that place of super consciousness, things can shift and transform really powerfully and quickly. So a lot of it, it sounds like it’s getting them to that place. Do you have people who are there ready to go, some who are afraid of it.

 

00:23:12 – 00:24:30

Abigail: Or people may or may not ever fully understand it? It varies. So if somebody doesn’t get it, they don’t get it. There’s not. You can only go so far. Other people are ready to go for it. And then some people need some readiness and sometimes we don’t need to do it. We can just use wisdom and connection and discussion, but it does. It does make it a lot faster because as a soul, you can challenge the elements of the child was crushed in. You know, you talk about the as an example, the inner child work with the child is frozen. They’ve still got the fear within them. Or maybe they’re flying away or flight running away. They’re scared. And that hypervigilance can stay with them where they’re stressed and in all kinds of challenges in life. If you can transform that original early experience, empower the child and bring that forward, the people can feel that power and that transforms itself into their everyday life. And the situations they might face at this time is very needy for a relationship. And they feel this pain and they’re looking for mother or father, something else that’s a filter that affects their choices.

 

00:24:30 – 00:24:38

Owen: Absolutely. As our couples therapist would say, like we find our spouses so that we can heal our inner child. Basically, find someone who’s going to push all your buttons for you.

 

00:24:40 – 00:24:40

Abigail: If.

 

00:24:40 – 00:24:59

Owen: You’ve done enough soul work, especially if you’re connected to your soul, then you could possibly choose a relationship based on the beauty of the soul’s connecting rather than the subconscious work that you have to do. Then a whole other element of service and quality comes into that relationship.

 

00:24:59 – 00:25:11

Abigail: Absolutely. And I feel like it’s it’s a balance of light and dark, you know, like the yin, like the duality. Because there’s going to be that shadow piece. I mean, I don’t know if I’ve met anyone who doesn’t have.

 

00:25:11 – 00:25:12

Owen: Some work to do.

 

00:25:13 – 00:25:49

Abigail: If you do like me, like, how did you do that? Maybe like Byron Katie, although she still does the work every day. She said, actually. But yeah, I mean, I think that’s I don’t think a relationship is like, we’re like, this is going to be work all the time because that’s not fun. You know, there’s so much beauty and lightness and connection to have on that, the light aspect of the soul level. And then to be to be allies in each other’s healing is a beautiful thing. But yeah, I don’t think it sounds fun to be in a relationship that’s pure work. And and as you heal those things, someone’s in a relationship where it’s not. If it’s toxic, then just that’s one to get out.

 

00:25:49 – 00:25:51

Owen: Yeah, exactly.

 

00:25:51 – 00:26:03

Abigail: You said it very well that it’s okay to have lots of stuff to work on, and we all do. That’s why we might say, as you agree, Earth is a school. It’s an opportunity.

 

00:26:03 – 00:26:42

Owen: It shifts in and out between school and playgrounds. Heaven and hell. It’s all perspective. I agree with you. I’m meeting people where they’re at. You know, you mentioned that some people just aren’t ready to go there. You know, maybe another lifetime or a few more lifetimes. That’s just not their path. But you have a unique thing in that you are also trained as a medical doctor. Do you find that helps? Because I know there’s some people who have blocks around spirituality and spiritual healing. Do you find that you have people that come to you because you also have that background that are like looking for a bridge?

 

00:26:42 – 00:27:31

Abigail: It’s interesting. That would be the model. I originally had the holistic model, and it did my years of acupuncture, and I did my sort of natural healing clinic combined with medical. But. And that that would be the bridge. And people still come for that reason. Even when did walk in clinics, they would come to a degree because they get a bigger perspective. Now I’m asking people to come not just simply for a bridge to medicine, but because they want to expand who they are. And it’s not that I’m not sensitive or I can’t help people work with illness. I can think of holistic healing models and so on, but that’s not the full purpose. It’s not enough. And I make that clear.

 

00:27:31 – 00:27:33

Owen: The full purpose is.

 

00:27:33 – 00:27:46

Abigail: You couldn’t find peace in yourself. And some people have that naturally. I sure don’t solve my life. It’s because I’ve worked hard on it that I’ve a lot of tools to help others.

 

00:27:46 – 00:27:52

Owen: I find some of the best healers are the ones that had to had to work hard on it. And that’s how you learn to help others.

 

00:27:52 – 00:28:35

Abigail: There’s a whole story on that, and you might say the Royal Road is defined by the think it was Black Elk. Speke wrote the Royal Road, but that’s the same as the road of the spine with the chakras. And as you go up the chakras is various gates, and there’s challenges in each one. You can be, you know, it’s inevitable through life to, to meet these challenges, feel the dark, feel some pain and still carry on. And some people, even saints, had the soul drawn through very difficult lifetimes. But enough faith is critical faith that somehow things will work out. And very important.

 

00:28:35 – 00:28:39

Owen: So if someone is in a place of darkness, how do they find that faith?

 

00:28:39 – 00:29:35

Abigail: I think one has to know that somewhere it’s there. And you can’t escape your dilemma. You have to work through it. There’s a lot of help in today’s societies, a huge difference to going back in time. There’s a variety of help with many different levels, and we don’t have to feel alone. And then ultimately. It’s a soul quality, really faith. So it’s a very gradual process. But even on a personal level, just to be able to transform your thinking. Simple cognitive behavioral therapy, I’m going to do it somehow. I’m going to do it and that’s it. Affirmations become very important. And finally, faith is when you don’t know if you know you’re going to succeed. Oh, this is coming through. And the odds are 99%. You don’t need much faith. But where you don’t know, you need a lot of.

 

00:29:36 – 00:29:36

Owen: Yeah.

 

00:29:37 – 00:30:38

Abigail: Well, I feel like certainty is such an illusion anyway. Like, the egoic mind tries a certainty and control. And that’s not reality. It’s not the world we exist in. We can’t control anything. You can begin to react differently. Remember when my dog first got diagnosed with my dog had lymphoma? He’s doing great now. We’ve been working with him. At first it was really tough news and I was like, what are we going to do? I just need to know. And I went and I went to yoga. One of my guides showed up and said, you have to let go. And I was like, well, if I let go, everything’s going to fall apart, blah, blah, blah. My God was just like, chill the f out. You have to have faith. I was like, faith. And they just call the frequency of faith to you, like just bring that energy in. And I just felt that, like universal frequency of faith coming in like this gold, shimmery light. And it held me and I was okay. It was like to me, it was like the antidote for needing control with the ego and then faith coming in the soul. It was just soothed everything.

 

00:30:38 – 00:30:38

Owen: You added the.

 

00:30:38 – 00:30:40

Abigail: Letting go, which is so critical.

 

00:30:41 – 00:30:50

Owen: Because the mind thinks once you let go, everything’s going to fall apart. But like in reality, the ego is not holding up all of existence. So everything’s not going to fall apart.

 

00:30:50 – 00:30:52

Abigail: When you let go.

 

00:30:55 – 00:31:03

Owen: How can people, if they want to work with you, if they’re like, all right, you know what? I’m ready to expand. I’m ready to connect with my soul.

 

00:31:04 – 00:31:22

Abigail: Well, the best is to look at the website because it hasn’t. I never remember the number, but peak called Peak clinics, Pinnacle Clinics, they handle my admin. So in that website is the it gives information and the number to call.

 

00:31:22 – 00:31:23

Owen: Awesome.

 

00:31:23 – 00:31:27

Abigail: And I can put that in the show notes as well. And so for Canadians.

 

00:31:27 – 00:31:42

Owen: It’s partially covered. We’ll leave it at that. But Alberta their provincial health plans. So there is a covering of some of it with the Alberta Health. Don’t want to say it’s completely covered. People have to really want it.

 

00:31:43 – 00:31:50

Abigail: Like you have to participate in your own healing. And you mentioned empowerment earlier. Like you don’t get empowerment without doing the work.

 

00:31:50 – 00:31:52

Owen: That’s that’s.

 

00:31:52 – 00:32:21

Abigail: It. But the work can be joyful and the work can be a lot less than work, like people think it can be. Just the willingness to adjust your life and let it be gradual. It’s not like you have to change your whole life right now just got included. It’s like a river that comes in with another colored river. Maybe it’s gray or brown, or they. Gradually the colors merge together many kilometers upstream a downstream.

 

00:32:22 – 00:32:41

Owen: I can speak to that joyful experience of working with you. It is a very light experience and it is joyful. I’m open to doing the work. I’m open to that shifting. Maybe that’s part of why it’s so joyful, but I find, like working with you, I get these profound insights, but it does feel like we’re in that kind of super consciousness place.

 

00:32:41 – 00:33:06

Abigail: Really beautifully said Abby, because in a way, the ideal world, like what people think of as healing, is that somebody gives energy to someone else, the healer gives energy to the client or the healing. But ideally, what could be happening is the two enter a space, and in that space the healing occurs.

 

00:33:08 – 00:33:09

Owen: Beautifully said.

 

00:33:09 – 00:33:15

Abigail: I couldn’t agree more. It’s like the guide opens the door to that space.

 

00:33:15 – 00:33:26

Owen: That’s it. Just simple. Even if you can’t do the whole thing, you can do a simple little. You can do a few simple things to get going.

 

00:33:26 – 00:33:29

Abigail: So what would you suggest to get going?

 

00:33:30 – 00:35:14

Owen: I think the primer, if I had to say to get going, is everybody should do some sort of self reflection meditation and the best meditation. Is to recognize that you’re connecting like with a friend and spirits. The friend, not just mindfulness, where you’re just aware of everything around you and you’re deciding to be peaceful and be the observer. You might say that’s more or less mindfulness, but to consider God’s Spirit, representative God, a guru, Christ, Buddha, Yogananda, the great ones. You could be that, or it could be the light for you. But you want to have a personal, loving approach, a connection with the friend. If you can start that, that’s the speediest way. Then just to get peaceful and bring in that energy. And the second thing is, do not judge yourself for the past. Just. Just. Okay, I made these errors. I don’t have to continue. You don’t want to hold that judgment comes from complete acceptance. And really, everyone without spirit is lame and have a long ways to go, so it doesn’t matter. Some people say, oh, look at the success they’ve had outwardly. No. What’s counting? It’s. Spirit is calling to you. You don’t know what’s ahead. It could be fantastic or whatever it is. So babies begin by starting to crawl. Then walk. Same with us. We gradually build up our resources and it’ll happen. It doesn’t prevent you from leading your life outwardly, but it changes that.

 

00:35:16 – 00:35:29

Abigail: Opening up to that connection and that state of peace. This coming out with a friend, something as simple as connecting with a friend and then releasing judgment of yourself. So how does somebody let go of judging themself?

 

00:35:29 – 00:37:02

Owen: You have to make a conscious decision as an example. So you make a conscious choice that I can challenge my behavior. That’s fine. I can judge my behavior, but I can. I’m just going to make it a rule, an understanding, a depth not to judge my heart and beingness. And then, you know, people have, through your lifetime, sometimes judged you. And so you become. They murder your soul initially because. And then you do the same thing because you join the crowd and judge yourself. So you have to say stop. You might call it if you have to look up something, stop to the inner critic. And replace. That was something that’s just like you do with the child. You’d encourage, you’d be positive, but at the same time, a child, you’re not going to make every excuse in the world you want them to to, to develop, you know, the best behavior for their own self development. So you’re going to encourage but also create discipline. So syllabuses set a little discipline. It’s important to do. People go for a walk. The exercise. They eat, this, they meditate, whatever it is, all those things. And then there’s a whole inner resource of challenger emotions, thoughts into a higher way. And then there’s a whole field of affirmations which can be very useful.

 

00:37:03 – 00:37:07

Abigail: That’s the core concept. And then the tools break down to more and more micro pieces.

 

00:37:08 – 00:37:19

Owen: And often when there’s this connection between the healer and healing, the spirit gives the exact formula you need because. So as you know, it’s so individual for each person.

 

00:37:19 – 00:37:36

Abigail: And you’re quite intuitive when you’re working with people. That’s what I find. When there’s space for the intuition to flow, things can actually shift quite quickly when it’s not limited to the rigidity of a specific model of trying to fit into a certain model by just let it be whatever is needed at the time.

 

00:37:36 – 00:37:56

Owen: Very well put. That’s. I’d say that’s right on. It’s okay to have models and to have something in the background you can express, but to leave that opening to the mysterious, the miracle. Who knows what might happen. It’s beautiful.

 

00:37:57 – 00:37:57

Abigail: Oh.

 

00:37:58 – 00:38:00

Owen: Well, thank you for doing the work that you do.

 

00:38:00 – 00:38:00

Abigail: In this world.

 

00:38:00 – 00:38:09

Owen: You’re very welcome. I hope the people say, when are you retiring? No, I’m not going to retire. Why should I retire? Something I enjoy.

 

00:38:10 – 00:38:13

Abigail: If it’s still fun, do it til it’s not fun anymore.

 

00:38:13 – 00:38:33

Owen: It’s fun and it has a purpose. It has a meaning. It’s like spirit is is asked me. And of course my wife, Jean Marsh. She joins me in this work as well, more at an inward level. But she’s part of this whole thing. And it’s I was very fortunate to have that support in my life.

 

00:38:33 – 00:38:39

Abigail: It goes a long way. That’s beautiful. Well, I’ll include the link in the show notes to your website.

 

00:38:39 – 00:38:42

Owen: Excellent interview Abby. Appreciate that.

 

00:38:43 – 00:38:53

Abigail: Oh my goodness. Thank you. Yeah that’s been excellent. And then do you have any final words you want to impart to the world kind of with how you feel things are at right now.

 

00:38:53 – 00:39:44

Owen: And yes, I’ll just comment on the world as much as there is obvious degradation or the climate, there is an advancement spiritually, spiritually that’s inexorably going on. It’s maybe slow, it’s halting, but it’s there. If you would have, if you would listen to the people in a crowd in the 50s and 60 somewhere in South Africa or wherever, and you listen now, you’ll see a difference. But of course, the negativity also rears itself up now too, so don’t despair. There is a vision for this world, but that the great masters and spirit of already outlined. It’s not that I know it all, but I’m aware of that and that will express itself over.

 

00:39:44 – 00:39:47

Abigail: Beautifully said. Thank you.

 

00:39:48 – 00:39:51

Owen: So welcome. Great pleasure. Thanks, Abby.

 

00:39:51 – 00:39:52

Abigail: Thanks. So.

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How I’m Healing Chronic Lyme Disease

HEALING CHRONIC LYME DISEASE

MY SUPPLEMENTS, LIFESTYLE + SPIRITUAL WORK FOR HEALING LATE STAGE LYME

Healing Late Stage Lyme Disease

This article is a detailed resource for anyone who is struggling from a known is suspected case of Lyme Disease. I share my journey of recovering from crippling chronic fatigue, autoimmunity, and dysbiosis caused by Lyme Disease.

Here you will find:

  • The exact supplements and tools I use (with links) 
  • Information about how to get tested safely and reliably
  • How I healed the mental, emotional spiritual components of the disease

🎧 🎙 I share the early stages of healing from Lyme disease in my podcast, you can find the episode here. 

Lyme Testing

It took me 7 years from the onset of my symptoms to getting a diagnosis. Unfortunately, most tests done in North America are only 57% accurate and most doctors are not Lyme literate. So there are many people who are suffering with Lyme and told by Allopathic Medicine that their is either nothing wrong with them (as was my case), or they are misdiagnosed with one of the many diseases that present with the same symptoms as Lyme, such as fibromyalgia. 

The ELISA and Western Blot two-tier testing protocol recommended by the CDC has a sensitivity of only 57.6%. The EliSpot test from ArminLabs in Germany is the gold standard of Lyme testing with 94% accuracy. 

I received my Lyme EliSpot test kit from Ananta Health in Calgary. When I ordered my test last year it was just under $800.

Testing Safely

Anemia is a common side affect of Lyme, and even though I had been supplementing with iron I was struggling with low blood volume. The EliSpot Lyme test requires 7 viles of blood, and I hadn’t organized anyone to drive me home after the blood draw. 

On my drive home, I went into hypovolemic shock and needed to pull over on the side of the highway before briefly passing out. I then had extreme chills, stomach cramps, and lightheadedness. It took some very uncomfortable time before I could muster the strength to drive some more, pull over again, and then drive some more until I made it home. That was dangerous and it could have been prevented.

If you’re going to get tested, plan to have someone drive you home after and increase your intake of iron, protein and water (the building blocks of blood) before and after your test so that your body can better recover from the blood draw.

Research

When I finally did receive a diagnosis, I was told it would take 1-2 years minimum to get it under control, and that there was no cure. Needless to say, I decided to do my own research.

The first link I found on Google was for a specialty clinic in Arizona where they work with you Monday to Friday for 8 hours a day, giving you a variety of treatments and antibiotic therapies. It was $40,000-$80,000 USD, and even if I hadn’t lived in Canada with a 37% exchange rate I wasn’t in a position to drop that kind of money. I also found that while their treatment worked for many, it didn’t work for everyone and some patients had a recurrence of symptoms. 

I went on to research local doctors and treatments in my city, from the suggested weekly Hyperbaric oxygen chambers at $300-$500 per session, to the $6000-$10,000 in testing for the various Lyme coinfections, to brain scans, to IV drips… the list went on. I was starting to feel like the only way to manage this would be in paying the equivalent of putting a kid through college. So feeling overwhelmed and stuck, I asked my researcher extraordinaire husband to scour the deep recesses of the internet and see if he could find some answers. And he did. 

The Lyme Healing Trifecta

After searching through reddit post after reddit post, there were three things that were giving people their lives back:

1. Tick Immune Support by Samsara Herbs

Even though I’m in Canada, it’s worth paying the extra shipping from Amazon.com as it isn’t available locally. I typically order 3-4 bottles at a time and they cost me $150 CAD monthly at the full dose. 

You’ll see the difference it’s making in peoples lives if you read the Amazon reviews. You’ll also see the advice to start with a single pill and work your way up, and it is crucial that you do this. It took me over a month to titrate up to the full dosage, and in the first 1-2 weeks I experienced a severe Herx reaction with fever, sweats and fatigue. So plan to allow yourself the essential space needed to heal when you start taking these herbs. The Herx reaction will dissipate as your body adjusts.

I will say that adding these herbs has been THE BIGGEST piece of the puzzle when it came to regaining my energy. At the time of writing this, I have been taking them for 3 months and I am now able to climb hills and feel power in my body again. Stairs are no longer my enemy. I no longer have “down days” where I’m too sick and tired to do anything, nor do I need anymore afternoon naps on the couch. I can carry heavy gear while shooting a 9 hour wedding and feel fine the next day. When I shot a wedding this time last year it took me weeks to to only semi-recover from the physical exertion. There have been multiple times that I’ve cried in relief and gratitude for being able hike with my husband and dogs, for having the energy to see friends and do things in the evening again, for being able to do chores around the house, and for being able to show up in my business and for my clients the way that I’m called to. These herbs have given me my energy back and I am truly grateful to Samsara herbs and every herbalist involved in creating them.

1.5 Biofilm Disruptor

Along with Tick Immune Support, I’ve also been taking Biocidin. My functional nutritionist suggested I take this for C. Difficile treatment, but after some research I’ve found that it’s mainly suggested as a supplemental Lyme treatment. Among other things, it acts as a biofilm disruptor. Biofilms are created by pathogenic bacteria, yeast, and viruses as a way to replicate and hide from the immune system. A biofilm disruptor essentially breaks down the protective barrier the bacteria put up, making herbs like Tick Immune Support more effective. I take 10 drops 30 minutes before meals 3X a day. It works out to $150/month + shipping.

If that’s outside of your budget, before this I was taking 1 pill of Biolfilm Defense 30 minutes before breakfast, or 90+ minutes after a meal in the evening. The bottle lasts 2 months, costing $42/month + shipping.

2. Infrared Sauna

The body can withstand temperatures that Lyme and other pathogenic bacteria cannot. Infrared heat can penetrate deep into your tissues, helping your body sweat and detoxify itself. Most people finding a lot of benefit from IR Saunas were using them daily or at least multiple times a week. Knowing myself, I would only do this if it were convenient, so I purchased an in-home solution.

I ordered a Sauna Wrap that I typically use 1-3 times a week as needed. If I’m starting to feel fatigue or malaise, I’ll do a sauna session and I regain my energy and mental clarity after one use. The one I ordered on Amazon is no longer available, but there are several similar options. Like all things, read the comments and reviews to be sure it’s the right one for you. 

3. Hot Yoga

This was my first step to healing, and it was the third methodology that consistently helped people overcome Lyme based on numerous Reddit threads. The combination of heat (see #2 above), therapeutic movement, and mind-body-heart connection has given me a sacred space to release emotions, heal my spirit, and find the warrior within me.

At first, I only had the energy for yin yoga, which is a process of relaxing into restorative postures and holding them for much longer, allowing the body to release tension, detoxify, and recharge. For months, I went to yin yoga and cried for most of the class. 

I’m a shamanic healer and I’m very comfortable dropping into inner journeys for self healing. It became very natural for me to enter healing journeys with my spirit guides, my inner child, and my past lives while my body let go of tension and I was held in the healing energy of the sacred space.

Eventually, I became strong enough to do Flow and Traditional styles of yoga, which activated my yang energy and helped me rebuild my strength. I now go to yoga multiple times per week and my body has come to crave it.

As I write this, I am still healing but I now have my energy and my life back. The next stage of my journey is healing my gut from the SIBO, H. Pylori and C. Difficile that became layered on top of the Lyme. But now that I’ve found and began treating the underlying Lyme behind these infections, my body has the strength it needs to come back into balance.

Treating the body, mind and spirit holistically

As a healer, I understand the massive role that beliefs play in whether or not healing happens. When I received my Lyme diagnosis I was told that it would take years before it’s under control and that there is no cure. I decided that wasn’t a belief I was interested in buying. I stand firm in my belief that you can heal anything. So instead, I looked for evidence that would empower my healing process. 

I googled “How I healed Lyme disease” and found Amy Scher’s book, This Is How I Save My Life. In Amy’s book, she talks about her struggles with neurological Lyme and how it took 7 years to accurately diagnose, after having been diagnosed with a false negative years prior.

Her treatment of antibiotics and weekly hyperbaric oxygen chambers weren’t killing the Lyme bacteria, and over time she became unable to walk. She went on to do stem cell therapy in India, which significantly helped her, but upon testing again after treatment it didn’t fully eradicate the the Lyme bacteria.

Her complete healing didn’t happen until she made the necessary changes in her life to find happiness in who she is authentically. Not trying to be someone else, not pretending that the things that hurt are ok, but facing them, healing them, and living authentically with who she is.

This has been an essential part of my healing journey too. In the beginning, before I even knew I had Lyme and was simply sick with a mystery illness, all I could do was lie on the floor of my hot yoga studio and cry. I cried and cried and cried. I grieved the loss of the life I once new, I grieved the intense loneliness and isolation that comes from chronic illness, I held my inner child, I brought healing to my past lives. I kept returning again and again because at the time it was the only thing that helped.

That practice created a crack in the doorway to my own healing that creaked open a little bit more every time I allowed myself to feel. I then went on to use the tools I teach my students to understand the spiritual cause of my illness and how it was trying to serve me. I told it why I no longer needed it; that I’m ready to live my life fully.

The internal shifts I made created a willingness in me to get tested, which led to the discovery of the herbs my body needed to heal. And from there, I went on to be shown all the ways that my life needed to change in order to access the happiness that my body needed to fully heal. 

My husband and I are now on what we call relationship 2.0, having let relationship 1.0 come to an end. And as we navigate a new and much deeper bond, I witness the poison of loneliness and resentment that I had carried in my heart from our first relationship fall away. With each layer that falls away, I meet a wave of awareness that tells me “you heal when you are happy”. And I know this to be true.

 

 

This article is for education purposes only and not medical advice. If you have or suspect you have Lyme Disease you should seek the support of a Lyme literate doctor to help you on your healing journey.

Abigail Moss is a healer, teacher, founder of Mind Body Free and creator of the Medicine Within Method. She helps seekers, healers and coaches heal and share their medicine with the world.

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The Witch Wound

MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 6

The Witch Wound

The Witch Wound

The witch wound is the collective trauma resulting from centuries of persecution of women and healers all over the world. This trauma is often behind the fear of visibility on social media, blocks around doing meaningful work, doing anything that could cause you to stand out, low confidence, doubting your intuition, and imposter syndrome.
 
In this episode I share:
  • What it took for me to heal my past life witch wound and the PROFOUND impact that has made on my health and how I show up in my life and business.
  • How to break free of the witch wound.
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Karen Rontowski – Energetic Protection

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MIND BODY FREE PODCAST | SEASON 2, EPISODE 5

Karen Rontowski – Energetic Protection

Karen Rontowski - Energetic Protection

I chat with the delightful Karen Rontowski about how to protect your energy and her unique blend of stand up comedy and tarot.

Connect with Karen
Website: www.rontowski.com
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TikTok: @rontowski
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Full Show Transcript

00:00:01 – 00:01:04

Abigail: Hello and welcome to the mind-body free Broadcast. I am your host, Abagail Moss. I’m a shaman and here to awaken the healers. Do not simply teach you but to bring you home to your own divinity, nature and spirit, so that you may remember the depth of your own being, power and purpose and embody your original medicine. In all that you do, this work is not for the faint of heart, but for the driven seeker will not quit until they find what calls them. This is for those who are ready to step into their power, even though it fucking terrifies them. This is for the medicine, women, the light workers and the wearied souls who’ve lived countless lifetimes. This is a path to mend your deepest of wounds, to remember the innocence of your nature.


00:01:04 – 00:02:55

Abigail: This is a way of embodiment, integrity and awakening. It is a portal back to your soul and a bridge between worlds. This is where we reclaim our magic, our birthright and our true being, a magic that was hidden for centuries by religion, madness and fear. It is a power that stirs in our wombs and a knowing whispered by our ancestors. It is a song sung by the universe, it is our birthright, our divinity, and we are here to remember it, embody it and return it to the world from which it was hidden. Welcome this season, to reclaim your magic, welcome beautiful lightworkers and friends! I want to share with you all a free facebook group where I go live each week with free trainings and I share healing resources and it’s a beautiful hearted community focused on healing your mind-body and spirit, tuning in with your purpose and sharing your gifts. You can check it out with the link in the show notes: heart space, healing for seekers without further ado. I hope you enjoy the show. All right, I am here with Karen Antoski. Did I pronounce your last name right?


00:02:55 – 00:03:02

Karen: Perfect, and thank you for even attempting that. It might be wrong, because I get all my guests names wrong.


00:03:04 – 00:03:11

Abigail: All right, I have to start asking the beginning, because so many times my brain makes up a name and it’s not the reality of it.


00:03:11 – 00:03:16

Karen: Have you ever heard someone that was like a friend for three years and you’re like, I don’t know their last name?


00:03:16 – 00:03:26

Abigail: Fortunately, facebook makes it easy, unless it’s one of those made up names, and then it’s like who knows, it’s only only the shadow knows the answer to that one.


00:03:27 – 00:03:31

Karen: For years I thought my friend’s name was Terry, but.


00:03:35 – 00:04:21

Abigail: I like that right, so I’m going to read your bible real quick. So all of the lovely people, I feel like a lot of people, know who you are, already talk to different people and it’s like imperial care and partial care. I’m like everybody knows her, but I’m going to read your bio anyway. So Karen is both a stand-up comedian and a tea reader and often mixes two on-stage she has 35 years experience in stand-up 25 inter and 20 in the field of paranormal. They tell me you put on there. She’s so old, which is hilarious. You’re still young person, ever been doing this a long time. So can you tell me a bit about your story, like what came first and how did you get started in it?


00:04:22 – 00:05:29

Karen: Well, it’s funny because standup really came first, but I was sort of one of those people that right from us I knew I wanted to do that and I was always into the paranormal, was always had the books. I was always, you know, whatever was out there probably was like a five-year old conspiracy theorist wondering where the big wheel came from or something like that, you know. But I just have always had these desires and I remember when I got in college I was watching someone who actually became a friend of mine, stand-up comedian, on a show and I was like I could do that. I really do. And then I moved to Vegas and was working at Caesar’s Palace and I met a bellman that did stand-up and he took me to my first open, Mike, and it was terrible. Becaus, you’re always terrible in the beginning, but it didn’t matter. I was like I’m doing this no matter what, and then I always still had saw Schic and went into the paranormal. But when I started to go on the road I started to visit haunted places and then that’s kind of how it all sort of started to come together.


00:05:30 – 00:05:57

Abigail: I love that and there’s a lot of pieces that I want to unpack. The first one is, and I think this is a really interesting thing with standup. People specifically, is that, like all things, we suck in the beginning, but most of us look stuck quietly in secret behind closed doors. But you can’t do that with standup. So what gives you the grit? What gave you the grit to keep going whenever one’s like boo? Get off this, hoping that ever happened? But you know when it feels like that.


00:05:58 – 00:07:04

Karen: Well, you know it’s a funny thing, because stand-up actually seems to have failure built-in in that people expect hecklers or they expect things to go wrong. But what’s funny about it is? I wonder how many people do it. A lot of people do it once and then don’t ever do it again. But it’s something that it’s a curiosity, I think, because you can do the same joke a 100 times and the 100 and first time the whole audience looks at you like. What are you doing you? So it’s always. Did I deliver it, Wong was half a second off. Is this not the going? It’s really curiosity. I think that drives a comic to just keep going. You always have to have your comedy friends that you kind of commiserate with when something goes wrong. But even if you’ve been doing it, you know I’ve seen the best of the best die. I think stand-up is such a curiosity that you just always want to keep going. It gets in you. It is you, my friend would always say it’s not like you’re a bank teller and then you go home and you’re done with your job. It’s you’re always your job.


00:07:05 – 00:07:44

Abigail: I get that. It’s like a healer. It is me, it’s my life, it’s you just turn it off and then come back the next day or like when you’re doing shamanic healing. It’s not like all of that energy is just done. It’s like exactly exactly and it’s interesting that it sounds like comedies, almost fickle, like you’re saying on there and first time lands so differently, and there’s no way, I guess, that you can predict how that’s going to happen. It’s not like it’s a science and rinse. Repeat, it’s good, it’s not good, it’s just the energy of the crowd, your energy, the times where the stars are relied, I don’t know.


00:07:45 – 00:08:18

Karen: Yes, well, every audience has its own personality and one no two are alike. It just is like that. Everybody has a different sense of humor. Now, obviously, people are way more offended very easily. Or you know you can say something and just make people nervous, even if you’re not saying anything. I mention guns sometimes and I have no opinion either. I do five minutes, no opinion either way. But once you say guns, you know there’s people going, she’s goin to be against, she’s going to, and then you have to. You know it’s it’s one of my favorite jokes, because it does test them not.


00:08:19 – 00:08:40

Abigail: Totally, and it’s like a reflection of this tense world that we’re in this very divided world, I think it’s kind of interesting about the comedian is that they there used to be like the role of the commune was in many ways to like bring up the stuff, this darkness, but in a way that we can face it. It’s like look how funny this is. This is so messed up.


00:08:41 – 00:09:38

Karen: You know there is a sociology to comedy. Also at point, Rosanne was big. That was when feminism was coming up. She was the domestic goddess. Then you had the backlash, which was Andrew Dice Clay. Now we’re going to offend everybody, and then you had the backlash to that which was signed, which is: don’t say anything, it’s I’m saying nothing, and now we’re kind of going. I’m not sure where we’re going right now, but I know the difference now is people don’t just let a joke go by and you know that’s fine. Go to the next joke. For some reason things are being taken. So personally now I’m not really a controversial comic because I’m like I’m the idiot. I always say my job is to make bigger mistakes than you so you can laugh at mine and feel better about yours. So that’s sort of my angle, but anything political. You better have that audience and that better be your cult coming to see it, because otherwise it’s very, very.


00:09:38 – 00:09:39

Abigail: Dangerous.


00:09:40 – 00:09:41

Karen: And dangerous is the work.


00:09:42 – 00:09:52

Abigail: Yeah, because we are very tribal these days in our beliefs, in ideologies, and why were you going all these haunted houses when you were on the road? Why does that happen?


00:09:53 – 00:10:54

Karen: You know what? I didn’t even know what I was looking for and then for a while I had a little series and everything was a minute-long and I always played with bringing this back. But it was, you know, paranormal care on the TV show and I would go and just have jokes about the places and how they were haunted and who haunted them and stuff like that. But it was really I always wanted to investigate. And then finally I lived in Sandy. No, no, I lived in Ella. I went to meet up dotcom and I met a group that did investigations and started going with them. And then I met sort of my mentor guy named Tommy. We just shot a spiritual protection class. Yeah, it’s to be coming out, so I’m not sure when, but he’s friends to this day. He’s been friends the whole time, but I was just interested in the evidence and how you get it and still everything I would say, ufos are just one of the things I don’t actively research. It’s not that I’m not interested, but there isn’t anything about out of this three d reality that I’m not interested in.


00:10:54 – 00:11:00

Abigail: Of that I mean the world is infinite. Right. There’s so many possibilities, so much mystery.


00:11:00 – 00:11:01

Karen: Yes.


00:11:01 – 00:11:08

Abigail: Absolutely made up dot com like I loved that, please, I think when I first started photography I met so many people there. What a great system!


00:11:08 – 00:11:24

Karen: I just thought about that because I’m here in Utica, where it’s very small, where I moved back to take care of my folks and I thought I should look on there because I went to find a couple of paranormal teams and nobody really answered. Then I was like: why am I not on that website looking for still a good website?


00:11:24 – 00:11:34

Abigail: Totally love that, and so you co taught this class on spiritual protection. So what is that like and how does that tie in with paranormal investigation?


00:11:35 – 00:12:49

Karen: So my friend Tommy, the class was more me interviewing him because he’s actually my teacher, even if I know the stuff. He has been growing up with the paranormal since he was 13 years old and he’s just the most amazing person I can’t even describe because he doesn’t like the term demonologist. But he has worked on some stuff that I think the rest of us would just curl up and in a ball and go away. He knows so much and he worked with the best. So I met him when I first got into investigating. He had a radio show or internet and I emailed him and his partner. I said: do you guys want a comedian to? Do you know reporting and stuff and he was like yeah, so I met him for coffee and he’s been my friend the whole time. His wife is one of my best friends and I constantly go back to him for information. Or is this right? But the thing that people don’t realize is when they go investigating and they’re going to haunted places, they need a certain level of spiritual protection so that something doesn’t attach or follow them home. He taught me from a place of extreme caution from the beginning, not saying I haven’t made my mistakes because I have.


00:12:50 – 00:12:50

Abigail: Who has?


00:12:51 – 00:13:08

Karen: Yeah, that’s one of my favorite saying is once you look into the paranormal, the paranormal looks back at you, so you need to go in protected spiritually, which probably you’ve talked about on your podcast. Some people want to go in and tell ghosts, you can touch me or I want to feel, and all that is an invitation. All that’s a big.


00:13:09 – 00:13:26

Abigail: Yes, agreed. So what is the main thing that you do to protect your energy when going into a space that you know there’s you know all kinds of stuff, but I mean even when we’re walking around, when we’re going to cost, you know there’s energy floating around everywhere. What do you do to protect yourself?


00:13:27 – 00:15:48

Karen: I was in a hotel this weekend and although it wasn’t a haunted hotel, it was a haunted hotel and was having a lot of trouble sleeping. So generally I believe that I have a connection to Archangel Michael. I think everybody has a connection to a particular Archangel that would be mine and I walked out on some really tricky situations with prayer or asking him to come. Help me try to daily remember to say thank you every day for my protection. That’s a big one. Any type of prayer or gratitude, I think, start the way I picture. It is sort of like if you’re grounded, if you’re sort of aware of who you are, that’s a big one. I feel like you get this white sort of shield that most things are probably going to want to avoid, or it doesn’t look easy. In fact, a while back I had a sort of psychic attack at night and the next morning I was like what happened and my guide said there’s a particular part of your. They said something about what I was going through. You need to deal with that because it’s a weak spot in your era and this thing will attach or come through that spot. So then I worked on journaling and therapy and that particular hang up and everything kind of got better. So this is a story, though I do tell about how I did end up in a situation that was. We’ll just say it was the worst that you can get. As for spirits coming at you or spirit attachment, it was demonic and as soon as it was in the room I knew and I looked at my partner and she wasn’t doing ok. She was walking around like she didn’t know who she was. She was spinning like a computer kind of, and I started to get up and then in my head I heard: just take care of yourself, you can’t this is too big, you can’t help her. And then I heard my very first Tero teacher say: they want your mind. So over and over I kept saying my name is Karen Antoski and I know exactly who I am. My name is Karen Antoski, and and I preached this. I’ve probably said it a 100 times on my podcast because I was the only one that went home from that investigation and I believe that is the answer to. Even if you think you don’t know who you are, keep saying that and don’t let anything take your mind.


00:15:50 – 00:16:44

Abigail: Tingles, as you say, that that is so, I think, powerful in the work that I’ve done in demonology, which you can get sticky, and I found that to be true too. It’s the beliefs. It starts through the mind and that may come in heretically in all different areas in your field or body. But the entry point is through the belief, it’s through the mind and if you don’t believe, you know yourself or don’t believe that you’re safe, I think I find that to be a really big one. And if someone has fear, the don’t believe that they’re strong or that they’re powerful, then it’s like that’s the way in, or you mentioned earlier, having weak spot. I find those beliefs of like not worthy not good enough, not safe, not love all of these beliefs, that these energies can come in and start spinning more stories that create even more separation from yourself and source. Thank you for sharing that. I think it’s going really good for people to hear that.


00:16:44 – 00:17:27

Karen: That is like ground-level just kind of basic. If you can do that even when you’re scared, even when you’re scared of other people or anything like that, that’s quite good. You’re right, it can get kind of tricky when it’s something anchored in a house or somebody has conjured something. That’s you know. It’s like. The other day I was listening to some one. The one thing Tommy is livid about: he is the most humble person, he is the most. Non ego you can’t bring. Go into this and we were talking about something and I just remember going: don’t say always or never. In this situation everyone is different. All you can do is know who you are and everything else is changing all the time.


00:17:28 – 00:17:42

Abigail: Absolutely yeah, be aware of yourself, be aware of your energy, and that’s number one, because if you don’t have that, you can’t help someone else. So fill up your own, put on your own oxygen mask before assisting your friend.


00:17:42 – 00:18:44

Karen: And the big, big thing, I think, is the shadow side. For example, I was brought up in a home that was very passive, Grassi, and it wasn’t until later in life that I was like. That’s what it means and that’s what we’re doing. And once you see it you can’t see it. So even in my mind, when I go to that place of I want something and I start to manipulate through passive aggressiveness, I hear it in my head. Okay, so I’m very aware, and then I can’t do it because I see it now. But if someone is really in denial about that, those are the kind of things or the perfection. There’s a big push for women to be perfect. I’m not bad. I’m really a great person. That is where things really really come in or smaller things can attach faster. This is my experience. Like I said, not always, but I feel like knowing that you can be anything, we’re capable of everything and anything, and once you know that you’re almost a little more protected.


00:18:46 – 00:19:37

Abigail: Yes, and thank you for saying that, I think one of the biggest lies that darker energies tell us is that we’re not powerful and it’s one of the biggest lies that we believe other energy only have as much power over us as we agree that they have. So I find sometimes these things come in and be like I am dark and scary and I’m going to take over and it’s like you’re not clear everywhere that you are doing that. Clear, everything that you know your job, because you’re we’re the ones in this body and like you said I, you know I’m around Towsky. When you remember that, then you claim yourself, you claim your space, you claim your body and with free will there’s nothing more powerful than that. So something outside trying to manipulate you, it’s just not allowing yourself to agree with that manipulation.


00:19:37 – 00:20:18

Karen: Yes, and also I like it because it’s sort of internal work that you can do. I listen to a lot of paranormal radio and there’s guys that come on that are demon hunters and that are, you know, I’m doing an exercise and I have never done anything like this. What I’m doing that a little, that’s nothing you go do that, I’m not. I’m you can do that somewhere else. I’m not hanging around for that, but actually just be able to hold your ground is what you need. That it doesn’t begin. You know a real possession or real problem has level start. You want to start with knowing yourself and knowing what you feel like. This doesn’t feel all right.


00:20:19 – 00:21:24

Abigail: Exactly, and I found that too, like with the layers of possession, I love that we’re talking about this. By the way, I’ve never heard a conversation outside of my shamanic training class about possession. I think it’s one of those. It’s one of the scarier things right. Most people don’t talk about. It’s not like your coffee talk conversation, but it’s important because a lot of people face it and worked with people who were aware they were fighting possession and people who weren’t aware that they were fighting possessions based on their society, beliefs and beliefs that they grew up with. And it’s hard because I can help someone who who is aware of it, someone who’s not aware of it. It’s hard because it’s hard for me to explain what’s going on to them and their family and have them continue coming back and working with that. And those people just get labeled as insane and medicated. But when the possession is kind of going on a deeper stage, where they’re really attaching to these thoughts, feeling stuff in their body, what would you say would be the thing to do at that point? Would you continue affirming you are who you are? What would you do at that point?


00:21:24 – 00:22:18

Karen: I would always keep that, but for a person that is that’s really going on, for at first I would go to church, I would go, I would find your faith or a healer or something like that. It’s very hard, once it started, to expel anything yourself. And also this isn’t a coup, but you might need to know more about what’s going on and who it is. The one thing I am great at is: I have a web of people. When someone comes to me and tell me what’s going on, I go, oh, you go that way or okay, here’s our questioning. Fill this out. We’ll help you this. I’ll ask Tommy on the yellow pages. That’s still a thing. I don’t think it is in the pages of help. So I would say the first thing to do is to get help and I would go spiritual. Not that a therapist wouldn’t help, but you have to be very careful to have a therapist that doesn’t just go your nuts.


00:22:20 – 00:22:20

Abigail: Take these drugs!


00:22:21 – 00:24:28

Karen: So everything is a little bit of how far along, as you know, there’s a varying degree of how big this thing is or what kind of attachment is it? It’s sort of a big array of things that could be going on whenever you work with someone. We have a very long questioner that we send out and what we have found is. There’s a lot of questions in it that people wouldn’t know why we’re gathering that information. But to us it tells us what we’re looking at or if it’s something like that or what’s ultra guys that’s coming off the person, and also, if it is a psychological issue. Now someone could have a psychological issue which enhances what’s going on, the possession or the attack absolutely. But usually if you have something that is so blatantly. We had a woman that moved into a house where she grew up and she was having a incubus attacker sexual attack. And as we go through the question, are we find out that she was molested by her stepfather in this house? So now we have a lot more going on than just let cleanse and get this thing out. We have a pycoon, poltergeist entity thing, kind of a three-way now. What was very interesting about this is? She wanted us to show up and wave a magic wand and get rid of it, and we were like that’s not how we work. This has to be something where you’re participating. You derstand, especially if you are the poltergeist that is sort of expelling this energy and she got very angry and disappeared. So that question is sort of a great shield, for do you really want this to go away? Are you in it? So that’s where we start now, other people, we’ve gotten a questioner and immediately be like: okay, we know what this is. Do this about. This is a residual energy. We’re going to put magnets on the wall or something like that, so usually we can get it pretty quick. But it is interesting that you have to know the whole thing that’s going on. I hope I didn’t like that question too.


00:24:28 – 00:25:35

Abigail: No, that’s great. People come to me with the stuff. I find that the causes are either karma, like there’s something that happened in past life that was dramatic, or they did something that’s coming back around on them and or drama, and so, like you mention with the Soubise sexual abuse incident, so like I worked with someone for a year and they had all of this abuse and drama that had happened to them since childhood and there was a lot to release and a lot to unpack there, and they’ve been tormented by demons and dark energies since childhood as well. But it was matter of healing that drama and empowering them to release these entities, because this was the world that they were in. So let’s empower you to navigate this world, and now they are an incredible healer and the energies that they see are a lot lighter. But when the darker energies come there, able to say right, let’s get lost, get out of here. I’m not weak, you know, and I know who I am, have healed a lot of this, and I find it’s like the drama becomes this lens that we see the world with through fear, and that fear is the frequency that draws these energies to us, because that’s the reality that we’ve been living in.


00:25:36 – 00:26:04

Karen: And most people do not believe this. I’m always OK with anybody. That doesn’t because we’re talking about a world that we don’t live in, a rule where there’s no rules, where we’re doing the best we can. Like Tommy says, we just won’t want stay on this level right here because sort of my paranormal background, sometimes you just get a bad house, sometimes you just move into the house and I know a lot of people like. No, that’s not really it’s always and I like, sometimes you just moved into the wrong house.


00:26:05 – 00:26:24

Abigail: Yes, oh yeah, could be, could be an indian burial ground. It could be haunted you now from all kinds of ways, and that’s kind of like. Usually I find those are the easiest cases because like oh great, there’s no attachment to you. That’s clear, but I mean I haven’t worked in all the kinds of houses that you’ve worked in, and so not always the easiest.


00:26:26 – 00:26:28

Karen: Yeah, it’s always different. I’ll just let that with that.


00:26:31 – 00:26:33

Abigail: It’s ard, it’s multifaceted.


00:26:34 – 00:26:38

Karen: That’s great. That’s a great way to say it. Like every case there’s a little different.


00:26:40 – 00:26:51

Abigail: It’s kind of nice because you know nobody is the same. It’s not like our going to go into the office and you get bored at clucking and clacking out. It’s like, well, who knows what kind of intentional being we’re going to find today. Let’s go see.


00:26:51 – 00:26:53

Karen: Exactly exactly.


00:26:54 – 00:26:59

Abigail: So that’s cool that you work with Tommy on this and he’s demonologist. So how did you find him?


00:26:59 – 00:28:03

Karen: I emailed him he had a radio show, so I wanted to be a guest journalist on his podcast, a boy that has to be at least 20 and 25 years ago, and then we just always stayed in touch and he just turned out to be a great friend. He’d started coming to my shows. He’s actually a TV editor and we’re doing a special together. That was about. I used to have everybody over my house just have groups over on Wednesday nights and we always do something fun and somebody said he do. You want to do a fairy spell and we were all just like water and it’s always funny because Tom always knows when things are going to get wrong. But he’s always like everybody has to make her own mistakes and you could just hear everyone go, let’s do it and Tommy goes. I wouldn’t do this if I were you guys. We all did it and then I ended up with an attachment from which he helped me get rid of. And now it’s going to be like a 30 minute comedy special shoot. I’m writing it and he’s shooting it and he always makes me laugh because I’ve always like someone, always knows before something terrible. They heard Tommy go. I wouldn’t do that if I were.


00:28:04 – 00:28:07

Abigail: The voice of reason that really gets here.


00:28:09 – 00:28:43

Karen: It’s you know that was how I learn. That’s how I know the fact of my patron. I’m getting ready to shoot a thing about knowing the feelings in your body. I know even when I talk about this stuff sometimes I know if my knees down get the chills and none of the rest of the body does, something else is listening. I’m not scared or nothing, but I know I live in a house where it’s very old and I can sort of handle this much and there’s other apartments. But I know as soon as we started talking to about that, everything is like. What are you talking about?


00:28:44 – 00:28:46

Abigail: Talking about us because we’re talking about this.


00:28:48 – 00:29:00

Karen: Feeling and I go okay. This is. This is what’s going on now. So you have to know that feeling in your body. But these entities, these fallen angels, were used to walk the earth as teachers, so it’s all there.


00:29:00 – 00:29:48

Abigail: Absolutely yeah, I believe, and the way I was taught that they’re they’re like dark teachers now, like sometimes angels, and we’ve found, like angels will turn into these demons and attach to people as part of a comic lesson that that individual needs to learn. And in learning that lesson, whatever that be worthiness, love stepping into their power. In that moment, that entity can transform back into light and be released. And that’s really a very loving, beautiful experience, and I find it really helpful, when working with these kinds of energies, to remember that these are also beings of light. Within all darkness, there is light within all light, there is darkness, and so it’s like when you see that part of it. It’s almost like having compassion, like, oh man, it’s energy struggling. Just like me, I should figure out this lesson so I can free us both.


00:29:49 – 00:29:55

Karen: Yeah, there’s some demonic theories, but I don’t want to say theories because that sounds like they’re not.


00:29:56 – 00:30:03

Abigail: Just approaches or experiences. With those approaches you now experience, I find, because that’s how I work.


00:30:04 – 00:31:58

Karen: Yes, and it’s very interesting because I get fascinated, because my obsession and this is why I work in there. So I’m always one foot in the paranormal. Never you know, I didn’t go on an investigation, then come home and we’re all done and I always am very careful about where the information is coming from. And I don’t know if you’ve read this book about John and tell where. They were the first to do enochian magic and they really were channeling the angels. And they came up with this elaborate table and the chest plate and it’s so detailed and they’re channelling information and everything is going great and then there’s a change and the information starts telling them you need to do things like swap wives, and they are like. What is this right, and I actually did broadcast with Mark Fancies. That was so interesting. Talking about the Trickster Spirit, and I do know that angels are great and they’re there for us. It always have. But I wonder if sometimes it can get tricky, or if the lesson is that we think there were monogamy or what it was. But I think you always have to. No matter who you think you’re speaking to, you have to go inside and go. Is this right, like I even wonder if the angels were going. They’re listening, let’s see if they learned to trust themselves. So tell them, and then it all kind of fell apart. So another weird analogy to this is Dorine Virtue. She had all the trocas, she trained people and stuff, but she never used protection and one day she just went all christian. This is all bad, this is all the devil’s work and I wondered if something showed up and tricked her into this sudden change.


00:31:59 – 00:33:17

Abigail: Certainly could. Yeah, I think that’s very interesting. I’m definitely one who believes in protection, number one, absolutely in channelling. The first question I always like to ask is: are you the highest being at this time? You know, and if not, it’s like I’m goin to let you go because I’ve I’ve gone, connected up with my guides, calling in the highest guide at this time and some one else showed up and started talking about these stars and this planet. I’m like, okay. Are you the highest guide for me at this time? Well, like they were malicious, they were just like floating around and just jumped in and had all the stuff to tell him like. That’s great, but that’s not what I’m doing here. So I’m going to let you go. I’m going to speak with my highest guys like you. Just, you know I just did the wrong line or the line was open. He picked it up first, I guess, but it’s like, yeah, I mean, it is big, wild world and things can change. I think what you said about the trick though. Energy is also very interesting because I worked with people who who felt like an energy was being of light and then all of a sudden became a being dark and it kind of really causes one to not trust in the light. And that can be really difficult place because it creates a sort of separation from the light, and I think you touched on it before. You know, maybe it was these angels saying: hey, they need to learn to trust themselves, and do you feel like that is what’s needed in that moment, or do you feel there’s another way to navigate this kind of energy or both?


00:33:18 – 00:33:24

Karen: I’m I’m going to repeat the question because you mean I was goin to say why it happens or when it happens.


00:33:25 – 00:33:39

Abigail: Yeah, so, like when you encounter this trixter energy, where it’s like light and then it becomes dark all of a sudden, do you feel like that’s a need for us to trust ourselves more, or what would you do in that situation?


00:33:40 – 00:34:12

Karen: I would say your answer was correct. I have never had a situation like that where I saw something kind of go between light and dark. I kind of split the two as paranormal and spiritual. The stuff usually that I’m dealing with in the paranormal is dark. It’s all dark. If it’s not the person, it’s usually not anything that’s turning into light. But I would say you have that exactly right. It would be about trusting yourself and then bringing that ultimate connection with Creator Universe back.


00:34:12 – 00:34:39

Abigail: Yeah, absolutely, I love that because it’s hard because, like when that happens and I worked with people on this, there becomes this fear of. Can I trust Universe Creator source? You know it’s like. Is light really light? Is the light gaslighting, you know, but I think when you can’t know externally go within, it’s like when you’re saying I am not, as you don’t continue, affirming who you are. Is that something that can’t really be taken from you when you have that?


00:34:39 – 00:34:55

Karen: Right, and also, you know, it’s very interesting because we were just having a conversation about. There’s a particular football player in the United States who was going back and forth in Peru and was doing it quite a few towns, and now he’s seeing a dark shadow followed him.


00:34:55 – 00:35:02

Abigail: Which you know, it’s one of those things that happens. Plant medicines are amazing, but there are risks involved and people don’t always get educated and to protect themselves.


00:35:03 – 00:36:05

Karen: I agree a 100% and now it’s so popular and this sounds terrible. But I don’t know that I’d go to a foreign country to do it and I know I probably know people that could recommend the best people. But right now and this is just me. But right now I think it’s time to be very, very careful with anything. With plant medicine, with alcohol, with all that stuff, I feel like there’s just a-level of negativity that’s a little higher than usual. So maybe it’s not the time for any of that. But usually the dark kind of hackmen aren’t really dangerous, they’re kind of watchers, they’re kind of just wanting to see what we’re doing. But he was talking about something coming up behind him and he was scared because it was the call that man. I’m goin to call it shadow person, and Tommy had the perspective that maybe that’s not the shadow person. Maybe the shadow person is literally keeping that thing off like it’s a big world and you have to be in the whole thing to know that sometimes the dark isn’t you know we save dark and light some of the darkness, the dark, do you know, wot I mean.


00:36:06 – 00:37:13

Abigail: Absolutely absolutely like I had had one experience when we were talking, but like the trickster energy where I was like I would see this beautiful kind of angel being in front of me and then all of a sudden it would get kind of evil. And this was happening for a couple of years. And then I was just doing a ton of yoga, like mostly, and yoga for self healing to heal my body. And of course I’d go in there. But I would go on all of these big spiritual journeys to heal the spiritual part and I saw that energy and I kind of was shown. My life is like this wheel and all of these different lifetimes in it. And there’s these parts where it would be like now, like dragging a computer, like just go to those parents and be like you sound, just be all-black and jagged, colored. Be like what she is going on there and I thought, scared. But then I was like spirits sat on. My guide said these are the parts not yet healed and I had done some working, got dark light, angel, and it was like this is the part of you that is also afraid. This is also the shadow part of you that you have not yet healed and it’s like this is the duality you’ve been living in. But when you heal and integrate those parts, then that duality is no longer so polarized.


00:37:14 – 00:38:54

Karen: Yes, and it’s kind of like one of the symbols in the Rider deck, because that’s my back that I do. Ter gray is the best color because it is the combining of white and black, where everything is white and black. I do call journaling and I do Kaka journeys now, which have been really hopeful. I just started that. I’m very happy with that. It’s not quite taking you as far as the other ones, but I was immediately shown. I started doing studies on the archangel because I feel like I can get too dark, like I can really get wrapped up in the dark side and go. You better start balancing that out, and I started doing research on the archangels and things started to get really light. And then there was this very clear message and the message was they showed like a pencil like this and they said: okay, so this is you, so you’re learning to come up here and communicate and archangels, but remember, you’re always expanding exponentially, so you’re going like this. So the dark down here is just as clearly seeing you as the light. And they were always like: don’t ever forget that which goes with something. Somebody sat on a podcast, which is the people that might be attacked or under possession are the ones that, like Mother Teresa, became possessed because she was like I’m all good, it’s all light, it’s all you know, and they were like: no, you’re not, you are just as dark as anybody else and we’re going to balance that out. So I always remember that, know certain people. I was reading for a woman once and she was all about. You know, I’m just prayer and love and light, and I was like you know.


00:38:54 – 00:39:11

Abigail: It’s like you can’t that’s like we can’t deny a part of ourselves. You know it’s like we are these wings of light and dark, and the dark is not necessarily evil or bad. It’s just another aspect. You know it’s like the yin and the yang. That’s just just the world of duality that we live in. This is the airplane.


00:39:12 – 00:39:28

Karen: Yes, yes, so it always is what it is, it’s not. You’re safer because you’re reading the Bible, you’re still moving up and you’re not safer because you’re just reading about Archangels, Karin. You’re you’re bringing your whole light bigger, which means everyone’s going to.


00:39:28 – 00:39:44

Abigail: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and that’s just, you know, allowing yourself to be seen but also stand-in your power. It’s like having both of those happen. Yeah, it’s beautiful, and so tell me about the terror. How do you work with that and how do you work with people with that?


00:39:45 – 00:42:11

Karen: I have to have had a past life in too, because I think I saw three psychics when I was younger and two of them told me my last life: I was in the circus and the third one didn’t believe in past lives and he told me I should work in the circus and I really, as for Terra Teacher, this man named Jacklin, Valdez and Nino, and I went to see her once and I was like this is different than anything else or any type of reading I’ve ever gotten. And she always said you should buy a deck and learn about it. And she would show me because she was brought up with a whole family of Taro and she would show me this card means this and then when these are combined they mean this. And I was like I didn’t believe that I was psychic or intuitive, or some people don’t like it when you say psychic with terror, but I think it’s all the same. It’s just a little different way to approach it and I was like if I learn everything about these cards, I should be able to put this together, like upon them. So I became obsessed with the symbols and the colours, and this is a big word. But I might even be a little bit of a historian of the Rider weight deck because I learned so much about it while I was learning. It’s of course making your intuition and your psychic abilities better and better and better. So I would say I teach people two ways to. This is why everyone calls me in an emergency, because I can throw the cards and tell you exactly this means and it’ll be right when I do a reading. I do some of that and then some of it is just glancing and putting the story together. So it’s a little of both. I have other decks and I love other decks, but that is just it’s like my little friend. I’m making a Terro journal and to download the cards and get the exact picture is a little hard. I downloaded what I could and then on a program. I coloured them incorrect and did all things, and I felt like Pamela Colman was behind me. Going. God looks good, I think you got that color, but I think that is a great basis for anyone. But that’s how I started and what was odd was so in my cyclic stand-up show where I’m reading for people from the stage and I’m making jokes. It’s actually two forms of thinking and it’s the most fun, challenging thing I could do and a couple of other psychics we’re like: how do you do it so fast? And I think it’s because that obsession with the cards they’re a part of. So I can do it, that that was going somewhere and I forgot.


00:42:11 – 00:42:25

Abigail: I love that that’s so cool. I love that you and it’s like sounds like muscle memory. Like you, that obsession is allowed it to become a part of you and so you can be a comedian and give us like terror reading on time, which is amazing.


00:42:26 – 00:43:02

Karen: Well, what was funny was I was doing it on-stage as a comedian. I had gone to my teacher. I had called her and said: listen, do you think this is disrespecting the cards? If I do this, and she said: I think the fact that you ask the question means you’re not disrespecting ones. And I was actually doing it before. It was a business and I think about how other people might want to be like. I want to know it and have you know, but I was like: no, we’re doing it on the stage in front of people. I don’t care what they were doing it and then I was like you know, maybe this is a business and then I started as a.


00:43:02 – 00:43:08

Abigail: That’s beautiful, I love that so, and you teach the classes as well right online.


00:43:08 – 00:43:19

Karen: Yes, I have an online class that I think if you sign up for my email it’s half off or something like that, but it’s like eight hours. It’s pretty intense. I’d tell people it’s a, it’s a beginner’s class, but it’s a.


00:43:20 – 00:43:27

Abigail: Well, that’s good. That’s what you want, right. It’s like it’s detailed. You’re going to really understand it from someone who has embodied it and made an extension of the.


00:43:27 – 00:43:31

Karen: No one who loves put out all the nights and I go here are my boy.


00:43:32 – 00:43:45

Abigail: I love that. So if someone wants to come and see you on a show, I can. We can put all the showings in, but do you travel around and give these you ter stand-up shows? Where can they find you?


00:43:45 – 00:44:41

Karen: Yes, anybody can either follow me on Instagram. The best way to do it is, though, through my email list, which you go, I send out like four emails a year. I don’t do a weekly or anything like I don’t have enough to say. But if they sign up for the list, that’s the best and then my stand-up dates will come to them, because I’m getting very nervous instruments getting hacked or copied or all that stuff, and I know everybody likes the social media, but I’m thinking that could be gone in a blank for any reason. So that’s the best way. And then if I’m coming to your town and then if you want most clubs, I would say 99% of the clubs, I do the psychic stand-up show, but you can always email me if that’s all you’re interested in and say: is that straight stand-up or are you doing psychic stand-up and I’ll let them know or just come see a show. They’re fun kind of work all over the place, Jes Louis, in September I’ll be in. So wherever you are, I’m probably coming to you, just you have to.


00:44:41 – 00:44:44

Abigail: I’m going to be a stand-up show, like a stick stand-up show in to buy.


00:44:46 – 00:44:51

Karen: That one will probably just be a stand-up I hate to say this, but I don’t know.


00:44:51 – 00:44:55

Abigail: The cultural acceptance? Yeah, I would. I would be nervous about that too.


00:44:56 – 00:45:04

Karen: And they are very strict about language and content, so I’m sure you know we don’t need to find out you could be jailed.


00:45:05 – 00:45:10

Abigail: Not worth that risk, but that’s so cool that you dig, wanted to buy really like all over the world.


00:45:10 – 00:45:21

Karen: Yeah, yeah, it’s this business is such a blessing. I’ve seen everything. I’ve been to Greenland, I’ve been to all different countries in the middle-east and just wonderful.


00:45:21 – 00:45:34

Abigail: Well, obviously you’re funny, obviously you’re very talented and then and then, if people, so people can work with, you, can come to your show. They can take a terror lesson from you. You do readings as well.


00:45:34 – 00:46:02

Karen: Yeah, I do readings. You can sign up for reading on my website. I do 30 minutes, 45 an hour. I haven’t really raised my prices in a couple of years. I really get a great clientele between Standup and Taro. You know what I mean: everything life is good, so I get a great client. Tell of people’s you. I don’t know why I’m saying that, but I just I really love my people, like my friends are like I’m talking this much and I’m always like I think I like my people. I don’t.


00:46:02 – 00:46:07

Abigail: You want to change it. I respect that. Yeah, you’re a good spot and then you have a patron as well. Right.


00:46:08 – 00:46:35

Karen: Yes, now the patron is great. If people want to see kind of what I do, there’s a three dollar level where you get three days a week, you get the card of the day where I explain what the card means and I give you a little more. There’s a five dollar level where you get extra boasts of paranormal. There’s a $10 everywhere. You just get the classes. There’s one and 15 minute class every Thursday and then you can get the whole thing if you want, which is a whole bunch of it. You’ve got to see. You’ll see how much I love Ter if you sign up for.


00:46:36 – 00:46:45

Abigail: I love it, and then, if someone is like, I’m pretty sure I’ve got all this weird demon stuff going on. Do you and Tommy work with clients?


00:46:46 – 00:46:50

Karen: Send me an email. We’re having a problem. Send me an email we’ll go for.


00:46:50 – 00:47:05

Abigail: I love that, a woman of many talents. I have to go to one of our shows. I have to go to one of your sick shows and see that in action, as I think that is just such a cool combination. I don’t know anyone else that does that. And what a beautiful way to bring your unique medicine into the world. So cool!


00:47:06 – 00:47:17

Karen: Thank you very much. Yeah, we’re hoping to. I’m hoping to get it more and more on the road, but right now clubs are like: do whatever you want. Nice, it’s just yeah, it’s really different. It’s it’s nice. Yeah, I enjoy it. I’m so happy with.


00:47:17 – 00:47:26

Abigail: Do people that come like they know it’s on the stand-up when they’re calm, or are people who are like schic too like? Do people get surprised by that or what’s your reaction like?


00:47:27 – 00:48:00

Karen: Sometimes they do, sometimes I just do it. I’ll do like half an hour to stand-up and then I’ll do 20 minutes of the psychic stand-up but everything, even all my paranormal stuff or what I’m doing. It’s all palatable because if you don’t believe that I’m really psychic, you’re at least laughing, you’re having a good time. So it’s such a combination and I’ve never had anyone offended. That was christian or didn’t believe. Like I said, it really has something for everybody. So if you don’t believe or you don’t want to ask the question, you’re still going to have a great.


00:48:00 – 00:48:15

Abigail: I love that love. That’s the power of the comedian. You have laughter to like navigate around people’s spiritual beliefs or various blocks or whatever it is that would normally trigger them. But it’s like this: the comedy is a bridge to open up the world of possibility to them just.


00:48:16 – 00:48:20

Karen: Absolutely, and I’m sure, a lot of people walk out and are like I didn’t use to believe that, but.


00:48:21 – 00:48:25

Abigail: That was some weird stuff that happened. It doesn’t in line with reality of the experience.


00:48:25 – 00:48:38

Karen: And just so people know, all my readings are over the phone, so I have clients all over the world, so don’t worry about having to be in the. I think the lockdown did. What kind of everybody understands? Now you can do it right.


00:48:38 – 00:48:43

Abigail: Yeah, it’s so convenient. I love working from home. I’m literally wearing sweat pants right now and it’s so great.


00:48:44 – 00:48:46

Karen: I’m not worrying.


00:48:46 – 00:48:57

Abigail: Even better, so what is the best place to reach you? Like your website, your social love client and shows as well, but if you want to just mention it here too.


00:48:58 – 00:49:21

Karen: Sure, Karen Antoski dotcom or antoski dotcom, it’s very easy to spell. I always tell people: if you put in comedian Karin, I’m going to come up, I’m the only Polish, I guess Tusk or Paranormal care and all that stuff. But really Rantos dotcom. For years I had Karnonou and I was like: why don’t you just buy Rantos? That’s so much easier now.


00:49:21 – 00:49:37

Abigail: That’s brilliant, so nice, even unique name, love that! Well, thank you so much for being here. Is there any message you want to leave the audience with anyone who’s like? Maybe they’re curious about getting into taro or maybe they’re whoever you feel out there is the anything you want to say to them?


00:49:38 – 00:50:12

Karen: I would say, especially if someone wants to get into Ter, go online and launch a bunch of Taro readers and see if you like it, it’s not for everyone. Some people don’t like the cards, but to me they’re just absolutely fun. And if you think you’re psychic, but you’re not sure, they can be a great way to develop and give you some confidence in it, I don’t think anyone watching this broadcast would be. But don’t be afraid. I’ll you know I mean, don’t be afraid of terror. I was taught that the cards were pieces of cardboard and the magic is going on here. So don’t be afraid to buy a deck and don’t be afraid to buy your own.


00:50:12 – 00:50:25

Abigail: Of that, yeah, yeah, don’t be afraid of magic, it’s part of us right, it’s part of this world that we live in. Remembering that I love, well, thank you so much for being here and sharing all this beautiful wisdom and all that you do.


00:50:25 – 00:50:30

Karen: And thank you, Abigail. I just adore you and I can’t wait to have you back on my.


00:50:31 – 00:51:15

Abigail: Thank you. I adore you too. You’re so great. I’ll write all you beautiful beings. Thank you for listening to this episode. I hope it gave you a ton of value and inside and if you know anyone else that would benefit from this, please share it with them and your ratings and reviews are always so helpful to and if you would like, more support and more community and connection. You can check me out on instagram and facebook that you are mine body free, share live trainings and healing resources in my facebook group and instagram every week and you can find the links for that in the show notes until next time. Send you my love.